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Hey folks, a doubt on this one because I brought it down to C&E. Would C be the right option if it had a that?
C. that it had tried to prevent the outbreak?

Please help, got this one wrong!Super appreciate your help

C changes the tense of the original sentence (from future to past perfect) for no valid reason and hence, is incorrect.

Originally posted by EducationAisle on 20 Aug 2019, 00:51.
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This is not part of the answer but actually part of the prompt, but how come the use of the past perfect tense in "the government had implemented strict..." is correct? I don't see the other past action that makes it necessary to indicate that the implementation occurred further in the past. I don't think "commissioner said" applies here since "said" is a reporting verb and I don't think we would consider "said that" in the same way we would consider an action when using past perfect.

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I don't think we would consider "said that" in the same way we would consider an action when using past perfect.

Hi! We actually do consider said in the same way.
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The health commissioner said that the government had implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food and, despite the recent illnesses, it will try to prevent the outbreak from recurring in the future.


(A) it will try

(B) that it tried

(C) it had tried

(D) it would have tried

(E) that it would try

In order to express the future from the point of view of the past we need the conditional 'would'. A is wrong because it uses the simple future tense 'will'. Also repeating the 'that' after 'and' makes the list clear. Eliminate A.

B. usage of past tried is incorrect because the commissioner is talking about an action that is about to happen in the future.

C. usage of past perfect is wrong for the same reason as B.

D. 'would have tried' indicates a hypothetical situation indicating that if some conditions would have been met then the action of preventing would have taken place. This is not the intended meaning.

E. Correct answer. uses 'would' and maintains clearer parallelism.
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My only issue with the correct answer choice in this question is the use of the words "had implemented"
What "the commissioner said" and what the "government implemented" are two independent actions as per me and so use of the past perfect tense is incorrect.
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This is a passive voice sentence hence the option E fits best

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The health commissioner said that the government had implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food and, despite the recent illnesses, [that] it would try to prevent the outbreak from recurring in the future.

In this statement is the usage of "that" necessary?
Can't "that" be counted across parallel elements?

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Dear qwerty12321,
That's a great question, and I am happy to help. :-)

Technically, according to the rules of Parallelism, the first "that" could be construed as "outside" the parallelism, so it would cover both clauses, and we wouldn't need the second "that." Technically, this is correct, according to the once-outside-twice-inside rule. See:
https://magoosh.com/gmat/2013/gmat-paral ... ce-inside/

BUT, in practice, "that" clauses are big bulky things, and for clarity of the sentence, most sophisticated writers, including the folks at GMAC, always repeat the second "that" for overall clarity. Even though, by the rules of Parallelism, we don't have to repeat the "that," in practice the GMAT always does, so for GMAT purposes, essentially it is a rule that we need to repeat the word "that."

Does this make sense?
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mike hi expert, I was a little bit confused by this rule, could you help with another question as below? Besides, I wonder what “it” in this question refers to?
The rise in negative attitudes toward foreigners indicate that the country is becoming less tolerant, and therefore that the opportunities are ripe for extremist groups to exploit the illegal immigration problem.

(A) indicate that the country is becoming less tolerant, and therefore that
(B) indicates that the country is becoming less tolerant, and therefore
(C) indicates that the country is becoming less tolerant, and therefore that
(D) indicates that the country is being less tolerant, and therefore
(E) indicates that the country is becoming less tolerant of and therefore that

The OA is B as the explanation is: the second "that", seen in Option C, is redundant. Hope you helps and much thanks.
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Dear Friends,

Here is a detailed explanation to this question-
jaynayak wrote:
The health commissioner said that the government had implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food and, despite the recent illnesses, it will try to prevent the outbreak from recurring in the future.


(A) it will try

(B) that it tried

(C) it had tried

(D) it would have tried

(E) that it would try


This question is part of the GMAT Club Sentence Correction : Verb Tense Revision Project.


Concepts tested here: Tenses + Parallelism

• Any elements linked by a conjunction ("and" in this case) must be parallel.
• "would + base form of verb" ("try" in this case) is used to refer to a future action from a point of time in the past.
• The simple future tense is used to refer to actions that will take place in the future.
• The simple past tense is used to refer to actions that concluded in the past.
• The past perfect tense (marked by the use of helping verb "had") is used when a sentence contains two actions in the past; the helping verb "had" is used with the action in the "greater past".
• For referring to a hypothetical past event and its probable outcome, the preferred method is to express the hypothetical event in the past perfect tense (marked by the use of the helping verb “had”), and express the probable outcome in the “would + have + past participle (“verb+ed”- “challenged” in this sentence)” construction.

A: Trap. This answer choice uses "will + base form of verb" to refer to a future action from a point of time in the past; remember, "would + base form of verb" is used to refer to a future action from a point of time in the past. Further, Option A fails to maintain parallelism between "that the government had implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food" and "it will try to prevent the outbreak from recurring in the future"; remember, any elements linked by a conjunction ("and" in this case) must be parallel.

B: This answer choice incorrectly uses the simple past tense verb "tried" to refer to an action that will take place in the future; remember, the simple future tense is used to refer to actions that will take place in the future, and the simple past tense is used to refer to actions that concluded in the past.

C: This answer choice incorrectly uses the past perfect tense verb "had tried" to refer to an action that will take place in the future; remember, the simple future tense is used to refer to actions that will take place in the future, and the past perfect tense (marked by the use of helping verb "had") is used when a sentence contains two actions in the past; the helping verb "had" is used with the action in the "greater past". Further, Option C fails to maintain parallelism between "that the government had implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food" and "it had tried to prevent the outbreak from recurring in the future"; remember, any elements linked by a conjunction ("and" in this case) must be parallel.

D: This answer choice incorrectly uses the construction "would + have + past participle ("tried" in this case)" to refer to an action that will take place in the future; remember, the simple future tense is used to refer to actions that will take place in the future and "would + have + past participle" is the preferred construction for referring to the probable result of a hypothetical past action. Further, Option D fails to maintain parallelism between "that the government had implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food" and "it would have tried to prevent the outbreak from recurring in the future"; remember, any elements linked by a conjunction ("and" in this case) must be parallel.

E: Correct. This answer choice correctly uses the simple future tense verb "would try" to refer to an action that will take place in the future. Further, Option E uses the "would + base form of verb ("try" in this case)" construction to refer to a future action from a point of time in the past. Additionally, Option E maintains parallelism between "that the government had implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food" and "that it would try to prevent the outbreak from recurring in the future".

Hence, E is the best answer choice.

To understand the concept of "Simple Tenses" on GMAT, you may want to watch the following video (~2 minutes):



To understand the concept of "Past Perfect Tense" on GMAT, you may want to watch the following video (~2 minutes):



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Hi,

I am trying to break the sentence down into smaller bits. What role/ type of phrase/ modifier is 'despite the recent illnesses'? What is the role from a grammar POV?

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ExpertsGlobal5 wrote:
Dear Friends,

Here is a detailed explanation to this question-
jaynayak wrote:
The health commissioner said that the government had implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food and, despite the recent illnesses, it will try to prevent the outbreak from recurring in the future.


(A) it will try

(B) that it tried

(C) it had tried

(D) it would have tried

(E) that it would try


This question is part of the GMAT Club Sentence Correction : Verb Tense Revision Project.


Concepts tested here: Tenses + Parallelism

• Any elements linked by a conjunction ("and" in this case) must be parallel.
• "would + base form of verb" ("try" in this case) is used to refer to a future action from a point of time in the past.
• The simple future tense is used to refer to actions that will take place in the future.
• The simple past tense is used to refer to actions that concluded in the past.
• The past perfect tense (marked by the use of helping verb "had") is used when a sentence contains two actions in the past; the helping verb "had" is used with the action in the "greater past".
• For referring to a hypothetical past event and its probable outcome, the preferred method is to express the hypothetical event in the past perfect tense (marked by the use of the helping verb “had”), and express the probable outcome in the “would + have + past participle (“verb+ed”- “challenged” in this sentence)” construction.

A: Trap. This answer choice uses "will + base form of verb" to refer to a future action from a point of time in the past; remember, "would + base form of verb" is used to refer to a future action from a point of time in the past. Further, Option A fails to maintain parallelism between "that the government had implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food" and "it will try to prevent the outbreak from recurring in the future"; remember, any elements linked by a conjunction ("and" in this case) must be parallel.

B: This answer choice incorrectly uses the simple past tense verb "tried" to refer to an action that will take place in the future; remember, the simple future tense is used to refer to actions that will take place in the future, and the simple past tense is used to refer to actions that concluded in the past.

C: This answer choice incorrectly uses the past perfect tense verb "had tried" to refer to an action that will take place in the future; remember, the simple future tense is used to refer to actions that will take place in the future, and the past perfect tense (marked by the use of helping verb "had") is used when a sentence contains two actions in the past; the helping verb "had" is used with the action in the "greater past". Further, Option C fails to maintain parallelism between "that the government had implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food" and "it had tried to prevent the outbreak from recurring in the future"; remember, any elements linked by a conjunction ("and" in this case) must be parallel.

D: This answer choice incorrectly uses the construction "would + have + past participle ("tried" in this case)" to refer to an action that will take place in the future; remember, the simple future tense is used to refer to actions that will take place in the future and "would + have + past participle" is the preferred construction for referring to the probable result of a hypothetical past action. Further, Option D fails to maintain parallelism between "that the government had implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food" and "it would have tried to prevent the outbreak from recurring in the future"; remember, any elements linked by a conjunction ("and" in this case) must be parallel.

E: Correct. This answer choice correctly uses the simple future tense verb "would try" to refer to an action that will take place in the future. Further, Option E uses the "would + base form of verb ("try" in this case)" construction to refer to a future action from a point of time in the past. Additionally, Option E maintains parallelism between "that the government had implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food" and "that it would try to prevent the outbreak from recurring in the future".

Hence, E is the best answer choice.

To understand the concept of "Simple Tenses" on GMAT, you may want to watch the following video (~2 minutes):



To understand the concept of "Past Perfect Tense" on GMAT, you may want to watch the following video (~2 minutes):



All the best!
Experts' Global Team



Hi,

I am trying to break the sentence down into smaller bits. What role/ type of phrase/ modifier is 'despite the recent illnesses'? What is the role from a grammar POV?

Looking forward to hearing from you!


Hello RenB,

We hope this finds you well.

To answer your query, "despite the recent illnesses" is an adverbial modifier that acts upon the verb "would try" in the correct answer choice.

We hope this helps.
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Hi,

I am trying to break the sentence down into smaller bits. What role/ type of phrase/ modifier is 'despite the recent illnesses'? What is the role from a grammar POV?

Looking forward to hearing from you!

Hi RenB,

To add to ExpertsGlobal5's response, despite the recent illnesses is a prepositional phrase (despite is a preposition).
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The health commissioner announced two things: that the government has tried to eliminate contaminated food (in the past) and that the government will try to prevent another outbreak (in the future).

The sequence of events will establish the correct verb tense. First, the government acted on the current outbreak (in the past), then the health commissioner made an announcement (in the past, but more recent than the government’s actions), and finally, the government plans to act again (in the future).

An interesting feature of this timeline is that the announcements about the government are all presented from the point of view of the health commissioner. The verb had implemented is in the past perfect tense, indicating that this event occurred at some point before the commissioner spoke.

The more complicated tense is the speaker in the past making predictions about his future. When the future is indicated from the point of view of the past, the simple future is not used. Instead, the conditional is required. For example, "The man said that he would buy a new car" is preferable to "The man said that he will buy a new car."


(A) This choice is incorrect because will try is in simple future tense, not conditional. Additionally, the word that is needed at the beginning of the choice to reinforce the parallelism between the two things that it (the government) did. Without the additional that, the sentence could be interpreted as having two separate clauses: the health commissioner said (something) and, separately, it (the government) will try (something). This is not the logical meaning of the sentence.

(B) Simple past tense tried is wrong because the trying will happen in the future according to the original sentence. Thus this choice illogically implies that the government’s attempts to prevent another outbreak occur at the same time as the commissioner’s statements.

(C) This choice uses the past perfect tense had tried, illogically implying that the government had completed its attempts to stop future outbreaks by the time the commissioner spoke. Additionally, the word that is needed before it to make clear that the commissioner is listing two things that the government did. Without the additional that, the sentence could be interpreted as having two separate clauses: the health commissioner said (something) and, separately, it (the government) had tried (something). This meaning is illogical.

(D) This is a tempting choice as it fixes the verb tense to the conditional would. However, the tense is technically "conditional perfect" (would have tried), which is not the proper tense. This tense implies that the actions did not occur, but would have if conditions had been different. Moreover, the word that is needed before it to make clear that the commissioner is listing two things that the government did. Without the additional that, the sentence could be interpreted as having two separate clauses: the health commissioner said (something) and, separately, it (the government) had tried (something). This meaning is illogical.

(E) CORRECT. This choice uses the plain conditional tense would try, which is required when the future is indicated from the point of view of the past. The second that reinforces the parallelism between the two things that it (the government) did.
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Here's how Option E would look like:

The health commissioner said
1. that the government had implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food (and),
despite the recent illnesses,
2. that it would try to prevent the outbreak from recurring in the future.

my question is, shouldn't the "that" be present before the "despite the recent illnesses" phrase?

The health commissioner said
1. that the government had implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food (and)
2. that, despite the recent illnesses, it would try to prevent the outbreak from recurring in the future.

This makes much more sense, imo.
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