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Re: Contaminated Food [#permalink] New post 03 Jun 2010, 06:33
good explanation by Prax.

E for me.
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Re: Contaminated Food [#permalink] New post 17 Jun 2010, 13:34
You have explained this problem with amazing clarity and have helped me clear a long standing doubt with regard to the usage of WOULD when it is used for a "future event" with respect to another past event and yet both events are happening in past. Thanks a ton and if I could I would have given you TEN Kudos for this.

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The OA is E.

In the original sentence, the verb "had implemented" is in the past perfect tense, indicating that this event occurred at some point before the commissioner spoke. The verb "will try", however, is in the simple future. When the future is indicated from the point of view of the past, the simple future is not used. Instead, the conditional is required. For example, "The man said that he would buy a new car" is preferable to "The man said that he will buy a new car." We need to find a conditional verb. Moreover, the pronoun "it" begins a new clause and thus requires repetition of "that" in order to make clear, using parallel structure, that this new clause is still something that the commissioner said. For example, "The man said that he would buy a new car and that he would drive it everywhere" is preferable to "The man said that he would buy a new car and he would drive it everywhere."

(A) This choice is incorrect as it repeats the original sentence.

(B) This choice does not offer the conditional "would try", though it does offer another "that". The past tense "tried" is definitely wrong here because the trying will happen "in the future" according to the original sentence. Thus this choice changes the meaning unacceptably.
(C) This choice uses the past perfect tense "had tried" where the conditional "would try" is preferred. An extra "that" is needed to make the two clauses "the government had..." and "it had tried" parallel.

(D) This is a tempting choice as it fixes the verb tense to the conditional "would." However, the tense is technically "conditional perfect" (would have tried), which is not the proper tense. Moreover, an extra "that" is needed to make the two clauses "the government had..." and "it would try" parallel.

(E) CORRECT. This choice provides the plain conditional tense and another "that".
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Re: SC: government [#permalink] New post 14 Dec 2010, 07:22
+1 E

Reported speech. A basic lesson for those whose native language is not English 8-)
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Re: SC: government [#permalink] New post 14 Dec 2010, 07:36
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In for A

I don't think 'that' in the first part of sentence and 'that' in E are parallels because 'despite the recent illness' will not belong to either the first part or the second part of the sentence

The below structure in A works fine for me

The health commissioner said that the government had implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food and, despite the recent illnesses, it will try to prevent the outbreak from recurring in the future

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Yes, despite the recent illness is a dependent clause and the sentence reads just fine in E, with out the Dependent clause and misses the parallelism with out the "that"

Also, would shows the uncertainty+future correctly.

Had implemented (past perfect)

Said (past)

Would (future + uncertainty)

I am finding it difficult to explain the choice of would over will. I will edit If I come up with better explanation


I got E as well.....good explanation.
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Re: SC: government [#permalink] New post 14 Dec 2010, 07:44
Got E as well. Thanks to Daagh, a fellow GMATclub member, you gave a great Q to understand that llsm
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Re: SC: government [#permalink] New post 14 Dec 2010, 08:47
A.

The choice is between A and E. would be is used for a situation which in all likelihood will not be true. Will is the right word to be used to show future action intention
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Re: SC: government [#permalink] New post 14 Dec 2010, 08:52
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I feel "E" is the correct answer.
The sentence says health commissioner was quoting whatever the govt had said.

So, from the elementary school grammar, when i want to quote something said by others, the origianl senstence remains the same.
Eg : She said "I will not do the homework".

If the above sentence should be written without quotes, we say.

She said that she would not do the homework.

When quotes are removed, simple present/future tense becomes simple past and
simple past will become past perfect.

Same applies here too.

If we are quoting commissioners exact words, sentence will be as below:
The health commissioner said "The govt implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food and, despite the recent illnesses, it will try to prevent the outbreak from recurring in the future"

But if i want to say what the commissioner said, i'll say it as below
The health commissioner said that the govt had implemented and that it would try to prevent


I went for A. But after reading this explanation (very well done) the answer is E.
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Re: SC: government [#permalink] New post 14 Dec 2010, 09:05
I chose A too :( Props to anithamajj for the detailed explanation.
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Re: SC: government [#permalink] New post 14 Dec 2010, 10:40
Also chose E.

Says->will
said-> would

perhaps just intuition.
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Re: SC: government [#permalink] New post 14 Dec 2010, 18:49
I got - A

But after reading the explanation definetly its 'E'
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Re: SC: government [#permalink] New post 15 Dec 2010, 02:22
E should be correct answer.

This is not a straight indicative sentence. This is indirect form a speech. So according to the grammer rules, when we convert a direct speech into indirect speech-

Past Indefinite changes into Past Perfect
Future always changes to Would

So will is the correct form if the sentence is being present in direct speech but it will change into would when the sentence is being delivered in indirect speech.

Similarly, the Past Perfect tense in first clause represents a Past Indefinite in direct speech.

So (E) is the correct answer.
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Re: SC: government [#permalink] New post 15 Dec 2010, 02:30
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E should be correct answer.

This is not a straight indicative sentence. This is indirect form a speech. So according to the grammer rules, when we convert a direct speech into indirect speech-

Past Indefinite changes into Past Perfect
Future always changes to Would

So will is the correct form if the sentence is being present in direct speech but it will change into would when the sentence is being delivered in indirect speech.

Similarly, the Past Perfect tense in first clause represents a Past Indefinite in direct speech.

So (E) is the correct answer.


very good explanation.. thanx...
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Re: SC: government [#permalink] New post 22 Jan 2011, 03:20
E! E! E!.. I misread option E and chose A. Sigh!!!
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Re: Contaminated Food [#permalink] New post 30 Jul 2011, 18:50
Prax wrote:
The OA is E.

In the original sentence, the verb "had implemented" is in the past perfect tense, indicating that this event occurred at some point before the commissioner spoke. The verb "will try", however, is in the simple future. When the future is indicated from the point of view of the past, the simple future is not used. Instead, the conditional is required. For example, "The man said that he would buy a new car" is preferable to "The man said that he will buy a new car." We need to find a conditional verb. Moreover, the pronoun "it" begins a new clause and thus requires repetition of "that" in order to make clear, using parallel structure, that this new clause is still something that the commissioner said. For example, "The man said that he would buy a new car and that he would drive it everywhere" is preferable to "The man said that he would buy a new car and he would drive it everywhere."

(A) This choice is incorrect as it repeats the original sentence.

(B) This choice does not offer the conditional "would try", though it does offer another "that". The past tense "tried" is definitely wrong here because the trying will happen "in the future" according to the original sentence. Thus this choice changes the meaning unacceptably.
(C) This choice uses the past perfect tense "had tried" where the conditional "would try" is preferred. An extra "that" is needed to make the two clauses "the government had..." and "it had tried" parallel.

(D) This is a tempting choice as it fixes the verb tense to the conditional "would." However, the tense is technically "conditional perfect" (would have tried), which is not the proper tense. Moreover, an extra "that" is needed to make the two clauses "the government had..." and "it would try" parallel.

(E) CORRECT. This choice provides the plain conditional tense and another "that".


I understand the part that says "that" is needed, BUT I just don't understand why "would have" is wrong. Please please please, somebody help me understand the tense rules for "would have" here. Btw, the above explanation is from MGMAT CAT test, so we can trust the source.

Also, the only right use of "would have" I know is when it is used in "if... then..." condition.
- If I try hard, I will score 750 in GMAT.
- If I tried hard, I would score 750 in GMAT.
- If I had tried hard, I would have scored 750 in GMAT. (hope I don't have to say that in future :p)

Does the above rule have anything to do with the choice (D) here? I can't spot the correlation. Can somebody please help me spot a correlation, if it is there?
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The health commissioner said that the government had implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food and, despite the recent illnesses, it will try to prevent the outbreak from recurring in the future.

A. it will try

B. that it tried

C. it had tried

D. it would have tried

E. that it would try
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Re: Health commissioner [#permalink] New post 16 Aug 2011, 12:15
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The health commissioner said that the government had implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food and, despite the recent illnesses, it will try to prevent the outbreak from recurring in the future.

A. it will try

B. that it tried

C. it had tried

D. it would have tried

E. that it would try


That the government .......that it would try. would for possibility in the future.
Ans. E
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Re: Health commissioner [#permalink] New post 16 Aug 2011, 13:10
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The health commissioner said that the government had implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food and, despite the recent illnesses, it will try to prevent the outbreak from recurring in the future.

A. it will try
B. that it tried
C. it had tried
D. it would have tried
E. that it would try


1. parallel structure: "said that x........... and that y................."

This eliminates A, C and D

2. Tense: "that it tried" does not fit with the future action stated in the past. Therefore need "that it would try".

Remains E.
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Re: Health commissioner [#permalink] New post 16 Aug 2011, 22:43
I know E is the official answer for the problem, but i am not too convinced with it.

Which of the following sound more correct ?

The health commissioner said [strike]that the government had implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food and,[/strike] despite the recent illnesses, that it would try to prevent the outbreak from recurring in the future.

OR

The health commissioner said that [strike]the government had implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food and,[/strike] despite the recent illnesses, it would try to prevent the outbreak from recurring in the future

OR

The health commissioner said [strike]that the government had implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food[/strike] and, that despite the recent illnesses, it would try to prevent the outbreak from recurring in the future
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Re: Health commissioner [#permalink] New post 16 Aug 2011, 22:50
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I know E is the official answer for the problem, but i am not too convinced with it.

Which of the following sound more correct ?

The health commissioner said [strike]that the government had implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food and,[/strike] despite the recent illnesses, that it would try to prevent the outbreak from recurring in the future.

OR

The health commissioner said that [strike]the government had implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food and,[/strike] despite the recent illnesses, it would try to prevent the outbreak from recurring in the future

OR

The health commissioner said [strike]that the government had implemented strict measures to eradicate the contaminated food[/strike] and, that despite the recent illnesses, it would try to prevent the outbreak from recurring in the future


What problem do you see with "E"? I'm not able to find any grammatical or meaning error in it. Could you please point out the error or awkwardness?
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Re: Health commissioner [#permalink] New post 16 Aug 2011, 23:12
The point that I can not understand is why we are using "that". What if we dont use it? Are we using it for parallelism?
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