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Bunuel, if we factored out the equation in (A) and ended up with two different values for X, does that make (A) insufficient? I think it would. Would the GMAT be cruel enough to pull this trick on us? Because if we have to solve it all the way to determine the value of x+y then it's really a PS problem rather than a DS problem.

I am asking this because I was wondering whether we really needed to solve it for A. If we end up with an non linear equation in a similar DS statement, do we really have to solve it? Aren't we supposed to just determine if we have sufficient data to solve the problem.

Bunuel, if we factored out the equation in (A) and ended up with two different values for X, does that make (A) insufficient? I think it would. Would the GMAT be cruel enough to pull this trick on us? Because if we have to solve it all the way to determine the value of x+y then it's really a PS problem rather than a DS problem.

I am asking this because I was wondering whether we really needed to solve it for A. If we end up with an non linear equation in a similar DS statement, do we really have to solve it? Aren't we supposed to just determine if we have sufficient data to solve the problem.

First of all, we are asked to find the value of x+y not x or y and that's what we did: x+y=\sqrt{200}. Now, (x+y)^2=200 has two solutions: -\sqrt{200} and \sqrt{200}, but the first one is not valid since x and y must be positive. So there is only one acceptable numerical value of x+y possible, regardles of the individual values of x and y. Which makes this statement sufficient.

Next, even if we were asked to find the value of x or y then yes, xy=50 and x^2+y^2=100 gives two values for x and y BUT in this case the answer would still be sufficient since again one of the values would be negative, thus not a valid solution for a length.

As for the solving DS questions: when dealing with DS problems try to avoid calculations as much as possible. Remember DS problems do not ask you to solve, but rather to determine if you are ABLE to solve and in many cases you can determine that a statement is sufficient without working out all of the math. So if you are able to see from xy=50 and x^2+y^2=100 that it's possible to solve for x+y, then you don't need to actually do the math.

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stmt 1 we know that bh=50 and x^2 + y^2 = 100. Also, we need to solve for x+y+100. If we were to make (x+y)^2 and then solve out from there we can manipulate it so we can create an equation to what we know so far. _________________

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I know that (2) is sufficient but I am having difficulty with (1).

The best approach to tackle statement questions in DS is as follows:

Step 1: Convert all the alphabetical statements in algebraic statements Step 2: Reduce the number of variable to minimum Step 3: Check how many variables are left. You may probably need that many statements to solve the questions but you might need lesser number of statements to answer the question.

Caution: Don't waste your time in solving the question. You have to analyse the data sufficiency and not solve the question.

Lets see how this approach works for this question:

Step 1: A right triangle is given with hypotenuses equal 10. A triangle has three side. Let the other two sides be a and b

We know in a right triangle a^2 + b^2 =100

and we have to determine perimeter = a + b + 10

Step 2: We introduced 2 variables a and b above. Can we reduce the constraint equation to one variable. Yes, we can.

p = a + \sqrt{100-a^2} + 10

Thus, we are left with one variable.

Step 3: Let us look at the statements and see if we can decipher this one variable

1) The area of the triangle is 25 square centimeters. Area of a right triangle is 1/2*a*b = 25 But we know the relationship between a and b as well. Therefore, we can calculate a and hence perimeter. Thus, this is a sufficient condition.\

2) The 2 legs of the triangle are of equal length.

This means a= b

Again, we can calculate a here and thus can find out the perimeter. Again sufficient.

Thus, the correct answer is D.

Note: We didn't solve for a or p nor did we enter any algebra here

Once you outlined the steps above, it's rather easy to solve. My question lies with the strategy -- how did you make the leap to "square" (x+y). What is the problem tipped you off that you had to solve a quadratic or at least, re-arrange it? Highlighted the area in question above.

Once you outlined the steps above, it's rather easy to solve. My question lies with the strategy -- how did you make the leap to "square" (x+y). What is the problem tipped you off that you had to solve a quadratic or at least, re-arrange it? Highlighted the area in question above.

Thanks!

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