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The javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously dangerous than the discus; moreover, the discus is actually more likely to injure bystanders because, especially when wet, it can slip out of the thrower's hand and fly in a random trajectory.


a) javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously dangerous than the discus; moreover,
b) javelin has a sharp point and is obviously more dangerous than the discus; however,
c) javelin's sharp point is obviously more dangerous than the discus, even though
d) javelin's sharp point makes it obviously more dangerous than the discus, even though
e) javelin, with its sharp point, is more obviously dangerous than the discus; however,
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Re: The javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously [#permalink] New post 14 Aug 2012, 22:15
I filtered down the ACs and got stuck between B and E ; however, i chose B eventually.
Experts tell me why not to choose B even-though, E is equally looking good and the right answer.

Is that because of änd"in B. (not parallel )?
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Re: The javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously [#permalink] New post 14 Aug 2012, 22:35
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I filtered down the ACs and got stuck between B and E ; however, i chose B eventually.
Experts tell me why not to choose B even-though, E is equally looking good and the right answer.

Is that because of änd"in B. (not parallel )?


This one is tricky. You're right to get stuck between B and E, but the problem is the subtle change in meaning in B.

"Is obviously more dangerous" has a different meaning from "is more obviously dangerous" and thus distorts the original sentence's intention. The first means that in fact it is more dangerous, but that's actually not true since the discus apparently is. So while the javelin but appear more obviously dangerous, the discus is apparently (NOW it's obviously) more dangerous.
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Re: The javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously [#permalink] New post 15 Aug 2012, 07:16
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I got down to B and E and ended up going with B :(

How do we decipher the author's intended meaning?

It seems like "more obviously dangerous" and "obviously more dangerous" would both give valid meanings.

Do we need to stick with the meaning of the original sentence?
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Re: The javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously [#permalink] New post 15 Aug 2012, 07:54
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It seems like "more obviously dangerous" and "obviously more dangerous" would both give valid meanings.


However,both have vast difference in their meaning.

b) javelin has a sharp point and is obviously more dangerous than the discus; however,

When we say Javelin is more obviously dangerous, then we are saying that it is very clear that javelin is more dangerous than discus; However that is not so; It is the discus that is more dangerous. So B is against the grain of using the transitional contrast adverb however.

e) Javelin, with its sharp point, is more obviously dangerous than the discus; however,

When we say that the javelin is more obviously dangerous than discus, we are surmising that Javelin is apparently more dangerous than discus; however, in reality discus is more dangerous. Now the contrast adverb however, fits in smugly.
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Re: The javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously [#permalink] New post 29 Aug 2012, 04:12
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b) javelin has a sharp point and is dangerous ................,

e) javelin, with its sharp point, is dangerous ...................

Analogy :

B : SKM has a sharp tongue and SKM is rude.................. Guess 2 separate ideas joined together = doesn't connect well or implies the role of sharp tongue ( My understanding )

E : SKM, with a sharp tongue, is rude = this implies sharp tongue plays a role in SKM being rude

Thus my take E
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Re: The javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously [#permalink] New post 03 Sep 2012, 16:09
B – obviously more dangerous is what we say when we speak
E – looks good from gmat perspective but ‘more obviously dangerous’ doesn’t seem to be right. Can one of the experts pls explain..
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Re: The javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously [#permalink] New post 18 Sep 2012, 04:36
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It seems like "more obviously dangerous" and "obviously more dangerous" would both give valid meanings.


However,both have vast difference in their meaning.

b) javelin has a sharp point and is obviously more dangerous than the discus; however,

When we say Javelin is more obviously dangerous, then we are saying that it is very clear that javelin is more dangerous than discus; However that is not so; It is the discus that is more dangerous. So B is against the grain of using the transitional contrast adverb however.

e) Javelin, with its sharp point, is more obviously dangerous than the discus; however,

When we say that the javelin is more obviously dangerous than discus, we are surmising that Javelin is apparently more dangerous than discus; however, in reality discus is more dangerous. Now the contrast adverb however, fits in smugly.


hi daagh,

Is it a grammatical rule you are talking about?

Could you please elaborate the issue, I am a little confused. What is the reason behind "surmising" implication of option "E"?

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Re: The javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously [#permalink] New post 29 Oct 2012, 02:48
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The javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously dangerous than the discus; moreover, the discus is actually more likely to injure bystanders because, especially when wet, it can slip out of the thrower's hand and fly in a random trajectory.


a) javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously dangerous than the discus; moreover,
b) javelin has a sharp point and is obviously more dangerous than the discus; however,
c) javelin's sharp point is obviously more dangerous than the discus, even though
d) javelin's sharp point makes it obviously more dangerous than the discus, even though
e) javelin, with its sharp point, is more obviously dangerous than the discus; however,


Was very easy to get it down to B and E.
Later, I chose E because E is more close to what this sentence wants to say.
"Its because of the sharp point, javelin looks obviously more dangerous".
B - when we use 'and' conjunction, it doesn't show any relationship b/w javelin's sharp point and its being dangerous.
So B gets eliminated. Not sure if everyone agrees with my reasoning, but this is how I got E.
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Re: The javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously [#permalink] New post 29 Oct 2012, 04:25
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I filtered down the ACs and got stuck between B and E ; however, i chose B eventually.
Experts tell me why not to choose B even-though, E is equally looking good and the right answer.

Is that because of änd"in B. (not parallel )?


Ask yourself, what is and being used for...remember and is used to join parallel elements or items in a list or clauses... so it doesn't serve the purpose of using and.

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Re: The javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously [#permalink] New post 29 Oct 2012, 04:52
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The javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously dangerous than the discus; moreover, the discus is actually more likely to injure bystanders because, especially when wet, it can slip out of the thrower's hand and fly in a random trajectory.


a) javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously dangerous than the discus; moreover,
b) javelin has a sharp point and is obviously more dangerous than the discus; however,
c) javelin's sharp point is obviously more dangerous than the discus, even though
d) javelin's sharp point makes it obviously more dangerous than the discus, even though
e) javelin, with its sharp point, is more obviously dangerous than the discus; however,


Wonder no one has chosen D here?.
My take:
a) javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously dangerous than the discus; moreover,

which modified point instead of javelin.
b) javelin has a sharp point and is obviously more dangerous than the discus; however,

; is used to join independent clauses. however shows dependency from first clause.
c) javelin's sharp point is obviously more dangerous than the discus, even though

Incorrect comparison
d) javelin's sharp point makes it obviously more dangerous than the discus, even though

though bit wordy, doesnt have any grammatical error.
e) javelin, with its sharp point, is more obviously dangerous than the discus; however

incorrect use of ;. Dependent clauses are added. More obviously dangerous doesnt sound right , although I'm honestly not sure about this.

Correct Ans should be D.
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Re: The javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously [#permalink] New post 29 Oct 2012, 05:00
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The javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously dangerous than the discus; moreover, the discus is actually more likely to injure bystanders because, especially when wet, it can slip out of the thrower's hand and fly in a random trajectory.


a) javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously dangerous than the discus; moreover,
b) javelin has a sharp point and is obviously more dangerous than the discus; however,
c) javelin's sharp point is obviously more dangerous than the discus, even though
d) javelin's sharp point makes it obviously more dangerous than the discus, even though
e) javelin, with its sharp point, is more obviously dangerous than the discus; however,


Wonder no one has chosen D here?.
My take:
a) javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously dangerous than the discus; moreover,

which modified point instead of javelin.
b) javelin has a sharp point and is obviously more dangerous than the discus; however,

; is used to join independent clauses. however shows dependency from first clause.
c) javelin's sharp point is obviously more dangerous than the discus, even though

Incorrect comparison
d) javelin's sharp point makes it obviously more dangerous than the discus, even though

though bit wordy, doesnt have any grammatical error.
e) javelin, with its sharp point, is more obviously dangerous than the discus; however

incorrect use of ;. Dependent clauses are added. More obviously dangerous doesnt sound right , although I'm honestly not sure about this.

Correct Ans should be D.


javelin's sharp point makes it obviously more dangerous than the discus, even though
one error I can point out in D is use of 'it'. "it" seems to be referring to "javelin's sharp point".
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Re: The javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously [#permalink] New post 29 Oct 2012, 05:03
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Bull78 wrote:
The javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously dangerous than the discus; moreover, the discus is actually more likely to injure bystanders because, especially when wet, it can slip out of the thrower's hand and fly in a random trajectory.


a) javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously dangerous than the discus; moreover,
b) javelin has a sharp point and is obviously more dangerous than the discus; however,
c) javelin's sharp point is obviously more dangerous than the discus, even though
d) javelin's sharp point makes it obviously more dangerous than the discus, even though
e) javelin, with its sharp point, is more obviously dangerous than the discus; however,


Wonder no one has chosen D here?.
My take:
a) javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously dangerous than the discus; moreover,

which modified point instead of javelin.
b) javelin has a sharp point and is obviously more dangerous than the discus; however,

; is used to join independent clauses. however shows dependency from first clause.
c) javelin's sharp point is obviously more dangerous than the discus, even though

Incorrect comparison
d) javelin's sharp point makes it obviously more dangerous than the discus, even though

though bit wordy, doesnt have any grammatical error.
e) javelin, with its sharp point, is more obviously dangerous than the discus; however

incorrect use of ;. Dependent clauses are added. More obviously dangerous doesnt sound right , although I'm honestly not sure about this.

Correct Ans should be D.


The reason no one has picked D is because you don't compare apples to oranges...that is adjective to a noun....Javelin's and Discus... Comparison entities must be comparable. Hope this helps
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Re: The javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously [#permalink] New post 05 Dec 2012, 11:04
I think skmskm synthesized it quite well - it's all about that we have a dependent clause connected with AND in B, which shouldn't be the case here. Don't ask me why I prefered B over E.

One general question: Do we always assume in 700+ SC questions that the given answer choice A (no matter if correct or not) provides the genuine meaning, which the author wanted to convey?

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I think skmskm synthesized it quite well - it's all about that we have a dependent clause connected with AND in B, which shouldn't be the case here. Don't ask me why I prefered B over E.

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Hi there,

This is the sentence with Choice B:

The javelin has a sharp point and is obviously more dangerous than the discus; however, the discus is actually more likely to injure bystanders because, especially when wet, it can slip out of the thrower's hand and fly in a random trajectory.

This choice is not correct because it takes the reason that makes the javelin “more obviously dangerous”. Per this choice, the javelin has two traits:
1. It has a sharp point.
2. It is more dangerous than the discus.

This choice fails to say that the javelin becomes obviously dangerous because it has a sharp point. Choice E corrects this error. It clearly says that the javelin is more dangerous because of its sharp point.

Now let’s see the use of “more obviously dangerous” and “obviously more dangerous”. Notice the placement of the word “more”. In the original sentence, it modifies “obviously” and not “dangerous”. Javelin is obviously dangerous. But what makes it “more” obviously dangerous is its sharp point.

This brings us to the answer of the question you asked. The original sentence always sets the context in which the sentence has been written. It guides us toward the logical intended meaning of the sentence. At e-gmat, we add a lot of importance to spending time with the original sentence to understand the logical meaning. This goes for each and every sentence, easy or difficult.

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Re: The javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously [#permalink] New post 06 Dec 2012, 00:40
Hi Shradha

Thanks for nice explanation why do you think D is not the correct answer......."Even though"i think rightly modifies the explanation following it.....also it has a comma before it rightly making it a dependable clause.
Does however introduces a dependable clause if yes than should it not be separated by a comma rather than using a semi colon
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Re: The javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously [#permalink] New post 06 Dec 2012, 10:24
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D) javelin's sharp point makes it obviously more dangerous than the discus, even though: Incorrect.

Notice the use of “it” in this choice. This pronoun stands for “sharp point”. It cannot refer to “javelin’s” because this entity is a modifier, an adjective. So “it” stands for “sharp point”. Now per this choice, “sharp point” has been compared to “discus”. These two entities are not comparable. This illogical comparison makes this choice incorrect.

Also the placement of “more” is not correct in this choice. Read my previous post on the usage of “more” in this sentence.

“however” also starts fresh sentences. We form complete sentences with “however”. This is the reason why use of semicolon is not incorrect in some of the answer choices, including the correct one.

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Re: The javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously [#permalink] New post 06 Dec 2012, 10:33
Completely missed the point shradha thanks for pointing the error with "it' in D
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Re: The javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously [#permalink] New post 03 Jan 2013, 17:44
Nice explanation Shraddha!! I thought abount the reason for being dangerous issue but was stumped by "more obviously dangerous"
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Re: The javelin has a sharp point, which is more obviously [#permalink] New post 05 Nov 2013, 19:49
What an amazing amazing sentence!!! more obviously and obviously more....
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