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777. The man was always aware, sometimes proudly and sometimes resentfully, that he was a small-town Midwesterner who was thrust into a world that was dominated by wealthier, better-educated, and more polished people than him.
(A) who was thrust into a world that was dominated by wealthier, better-educated, and more polished people than him a
(B) who had been thrust into a world that was dominated by more wealthy, educated, and polished people than him
(C) who had been thrust into a world dominated by wealthier, better-educated, and people more polished than he was
(D) thrust into a world dominated by more wealthy, educated, and polished people than him
(E) thrust into a world dominated by wealthier, better-educated, and more polished people than he
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 [#permalink] New post 10 Mar 2006, 21:21
IMO, usage of "him" is wrong here. It should be "he..."

So we are left with C & E. I'm going with "E".

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"...a world dominated by wealthier, better-educated, and people more polished ..."
This red part coming later is causing uneasiness to me :?
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 [#permalink] New post 10 Mar 2006, 21:25
you're right vivek

I figured that anomaly in C when I marked it but somehow failed to see that E looked much better when it came to the placing of "people" in the sentence.
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 [#permalink] New post 11 Mar 2006, 00:42
E is the correct choice to me as well. Sounds stuffy, well so is GMAT english. :wink:

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 [#permalink] New post 11 Mar 2006, 04:11
vivek123 wrote:
IMO, usage of "him" is wrong here. It should be "he..."

So we are left with C & E. I'm going with "E".

Nandan,
"...a world dominated by wealthier, better-educated, and people more polished ..."
This red part coming later is causing uneasiness to me :?


If usage of him is incorrect then E is the best option.
But Vivek, could ypu please explain why the usage of him is wrong?
Kindly give me few examples.

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 [#permalink] New post 11 Mar 2006, 05:34
b14kumar wrote:
vivek123 wrote:
IMO, usage of "him" is wrong here. It should be "he..."

So we are left with C & E. I'm going with "E".

Nandan,
"...a world dominated by wealthier, better-educated, and people more polished ..."
This red part coming later is causing uneasiness to me :?


If usage of him is incorrect then E is the best option.
But Vivek, could ypu please explain why the usage of him is wrong?
Kindly give me few examples.

Thanks,
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Hey Brajesh,

Here is an example,

"I am taller than him" -----> Incorrect
"I am taller than he is" -----> Correct


This rule is slightly difficult for non native English speakers (like us) to digest ;)
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 [#permalink] New post 11 Mar 2006, 09:26
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At this point it would be a good idea to discuss the usage of 'than' when making a comparison.

'than' when used to compare two subjects requires a subjective form (he, she, you, they).

e.g. I am taller than she. [she is]

but not always. When comparing objects e.g.

I like him better than she/her.

To use the 'she' form would mean that 'I like him better than she likes him' while 'her' form would mean that 'I like him more than I like her'.

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 [#permalink] New post 11 Mar 2006, 11:29
I have seen this question somewhere before ..

I am picking ^ E ^
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Re: SC - Midwesterner [#permalink] New post 11 Mar 2006, 11:56
I'll also go for E.
I think we will use "he" here because, we are comparing people with the man. For Man, which is the subject, "he" is the correct pronoun not "him".

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777. The man was always aware, sometimes proudly and sometimes resentfully, that he was a small-town Midwesterner who was thrust into a world that was dominated by wealthier, better-educated, and more polished people than him.
(A) who was thrust into a world that was dominated by wealthier, better-educated, and more polished people than him a
(B) who had been thrust into a world that was dominated by more wealthy, educated, and polished people than him
(C) who had been thrust into a world dominated by wealthier, better-educated, and people more polished than he was
(D) thrust into a world dominated by more wealthy, educated, and polished people than him
(E) thrust into a world dominated by wealthier, better-educated, and more polished people than he
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 [#permalink] New post 12 Mar 2006, 10:40
A or E?

Go for E.
1. We can omit was thrust.
2. At th end should be he, not him.

What is OA? pls.
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 [#permalink] New post 12 Mar 2006, 21:31
- the sequence should be 'wealtheir, better-educated and more polished'
We can discard C as it is not parallel.
We can also discard B and D becuase it results in the redundant use of 'more' when a simple wealthier would have done the job

- 'he' is the correct pronoun to use.
We can discard A.

E is the best choice. To read more about whether to use the subject or object pronoun after 'than', read this link: http://www.grammarbook.com/grammar/pronoun.asp
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 [#permalink] New post 13 Mar 2006, 11:26
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Re: [#permalink] New post 18 Jul 2013, 07:59
vivek123 wrote:
b14kumar wrote:
vivek123 wrote:
IMO, usage of "him" is wrong here. It should be "he..."

So we are left with C & E. I'm going with "E".

Nandan,
"...a world dominated by wealthier, better-educated, and people more polished ..."
This red part coming later is causing uneasiness to me :?


If usage of him is incorrect then E is the best option.
But Vivek, could ypu please explain why the usage of him is wrong?
Kindly give me few examples.

Thanks,
Brajesh


Hey Brajesh,

Here is an example,

"I am taller than him" -----> Incorrect
"I am taller than he is" -----> Correct


This rule is slightly difficult for non native English speakers (like us) to digest ;)


I know this is an old thread but I could not stand a side and not trying to explain this:

the subject in the second clause of the question is "he" so when you compare the subject to someone else it has to be to "he" ex. "he was a small-town ........ dominated by x , y , and more polished than he"
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vivek123 wrote:
b14kumar wrote:
If usage of him is incorrect then E is the best option.
But Vivek, could ypu please explain why the usage of him is wrong?
Kindly give me few examples.
Hey Brajesh,Here is an example,
"I am taller than him" -----> Incorrect
"I am taller than he is" -----> Correct

This rule is slightly difficult for non native English speakers (like us) to digest ;)
I know this is an old thread but I could not stand a side and not trying to explain this:

the subject in the second clause of the question is "he" so when you compare the subject to someone else it has to be to "he" ex. "he was a small-town ........ dominated by x , y , and more polished than he"
@galafgon,vivek123
If I get rid of extra elements, the sentence to get base sentence
S1:"he was a small-town ........ dominated by x , y , and more polished than he"
S2:"he was a small-town ........ dominated by x , y , andmore polished than he"
S3:"he was more polished than he"
I am really not liking this sentence. It is hard for me to digest that the last "he" in E.

I understand that "I am taller than he" is acceptable owing to ellipsis but as per my perception we are not comparing subjects here.
The comparison is between objects of this sentence(Sub+Verb+obj).
In a parallel eg.: I love chocolates more than candies. Since, here the comparison is happening within objects than subjects.
When I say objects, I mean comparison between more polished people and object version of he(i.e. him).

I would have accepted "he" in sentence: He was better than he [is].
But accepting "he" in sentence is bothersome to me: Small Town Midwestener is was thrust in a world dominated by smarter people than him

Please let me know if I am missing anything here and how to accept this subject version of he than object version of he(him).
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Re: Re: [#permalink] New post 19 Nov 2013, 18:47
joshnsit wrote:
galafgon wrote:
vivek123 wrote:
Hey Brajesh,Here is an example,
"I am taller than him" -----> Incorrect
"I am taller than he is" -----> Correct

This rule is slightly difficult for non native English speakers (like us) to digest ;)
I know this is an old thread but I could not stand a side and not trying to explain this:

the subject in the second clause of the question is "he" so when you compare the subject to someone else it has to be to "he" ex. "he was a small-town ........ dominated by x , y , and more polished than he"
@galafgon,vivek123
If I get rid of extra elements, the sentence to get base sentence
S1:"he was a small-town ........ dominated by x , y , and more polished than he"
S2:"he was a small-town ........ dominated by x , y , andmore polished than he"
S3:"he was more polished than he"
I am really not liking this sentence. It is hard for me to digest that the last "he" in E.

I understand that "I am taller than he" is acceptable owing to ellipsis but as per my perception we are not comparing subjects here.
The comparison is between objects of this sentence(Sub+Verb+obj).
In a parallel eg.: I love chocolates more than candies. Since, here the comparison is happening within objects than subjects.
When I say objects, I mean comparison between more polished people and object version of he(i.e. him).

I would have accepted "he" in sentence: He was better than he [is].
But accepting "he" in sentence is bothersome to me: Small Town Midwestener is was thrust in a world dominated by smarter people than him

Please let me know if I am missing anything here and how to accept this subject version of he than object version of he(him).



I was almost convinced by you. But the confusion here is, what is the subject and what is the object? Since we are still comparing people in the world with the subject, we should be using "he"

the man was always aware, <blah, blah>, that he was thrust into a world dominated by people who are more privileged than he (was)

If we use "him"
the man was always aware, <blah, blah>, that he was thrust into a world dominated by people who are more privileged than people dominating him

This sentence wrongly compares the world he is thrust into with "the man". It means there are two worlds- the man and the world. This is obviously wrong!

I hope that clarifies!
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Re: The man was always aware, sometimes proudly and sometimes [#permalink] New post 21 Nov 2013, 21:30
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Hi Joshnit

vis-a vis your request

In essence both usages are correct technically; It all depends upon whether you use than as a conjunction or preposition. If you are using ‘than’ as a subordinate conjunction, joining a main clause and a sub clause, then ‘than he (than he + the elliptical verb) is acceptable.
On the contrary, if you are using ‘than’ as a preposition, then what follows cannot be a clause but simply a noun or pronoun or noun phrase. Now let’s see the topic in question.
The man was always aware, sometimes proudly and sometimes resentfully, that he was a small-town Midwesterner who was thrust into a world that was dominated by wealthier, better-educated, and more polished people than him.

(A) who was thrust into a world that was dominated by wealthier, better-educated, and more polished people than him
(B) who had been thrust into a world that was dominated by more wealthy, educated, and polished people than him
(C) who had been thrust into a world dominated by wealthier, better-educated, and people more polished than he was
(D) thrust into a world dominated by more wealthy, educated, and polished people than him
(E) thrust into a world dominated by wealthier, better-educated, and more polished people than he
Here in my opinion, you are comparing wealthier, better and more polished people with some other human being. Now the crux is that wealthier, better educated and more polished people are objects of the preposition ‘by’. So you have to compare wealthier, better educated and more polished with another object namely ‘him’.

Here is yet another way to ascertain this; the reversal test. Let us now interchange both the words and see whether we can get the meaning rightly.

1. dominated by him than by wealthier, better-educated, and more polished people
2. dominated by wealthier, better-educated, and more polished people than he( was)
3. dominated by he ( was ) than by wealthier, better-educated, and more polished people
4. dominated by him than by wealthier, better-educated, and more polished people

You see choices No 1 and 4 retain the meaning, while 2 and 3 do not

There is yet another view that in sentences, where the verb is originated from the base verb ‘be” such as to be, is, was ,are, were, , will be and the like, and also in the case of verbs such as seem, appear, look, then you use ‘than’ only as a preposition and not as a conjunction

Ex; I am taller than him
I look/ appear/ seem to be taller than him

Hence, by all counts, I would prefer -than him- over other choices.
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Re: The man was always aware, sometimes proudly and sometimes [#permalink] New post 22 Nov 2013, 05:02
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There are three choices A, B and D. A can be dropped because the past tense 'was' is not as appropriate as 'had been' to describe something that happened deep in the past.
But D is still better because, it is concise.

By the way, technically I do not see much difference between wealthier or more wealthy except that more wealthy is less common.
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Re: The man was always aware, sometimes proudly and sometimes [#permalink] New post 29 Jul 2014, 10:03
Hi,
is "is" assumed here? for "he is"
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