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The music class consists of 4 girls and 7 boys. How many ways can a group of 3 be formed if it has to include at least one boy?

A. 155
B. 158
C. 161
D. 165
E. 172
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The music class consists of 4 girls and 7 boys. How many ways can a group of 3 be formed if it has to include at least one boy?

155
158
161
165
172

Classic combination problem
At least 1 boy = Total - all girls
All girls = C(4,3) = 4
Total combination = C(11,3) = 165
Ans = 165-4 = 161
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Case 1: All three boys
(7 choose 3) = 35

Case 2: Two boys, one girl
(7 choose 2) * (4 choose 1) = 84

Case 3: One boy, two girls
(7 choose 1) * (4 choose 2) = 42

Add them up 35 + 84 + 42 = 161
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29 Jun 2012, 13:47
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Case 1: All three boys
(7 choose 3) = 35

Case 2: Two boys, one girl
(7 choose 2) * (4 choose 1) = 84

Case 3: One boy, two girls
(7 choose 1) * (4 choose 2) = 42

Add them up 35 + 84 + 42 = 161
C

I don't really understand how Case 2 and 3 above are calculated. Any help please?

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dianamao wrote:
jimjohn wrote:
Case 1: All three boys
(7 choose 3) = 35

Case 2: Two boys, one girl
(7 choose 2) * (4 choose 1) = 84

Case 3: One boy, two girls
(7 choose 1) * (4 choose 2) = 42

Add them up 35 + 84 + 42 = 161
C

I don't really understand how Case 2 and 3 above are calculated. Any help please?

Thanks,
Diana

The music class consists of 4 girls and 7 boys. How many ways can a group of 3 be formed if it has to include at least one boy?
A. 155
B. 158
C. 161
D. 165
E. 172

Reverse Approach:

The # of groups with at least one boy equal to total groups of 3 that can be formed out of 11 people minus groups with all girls: $$C^3_{11}-C^3_4=161$$.

Direct Approach:

The # of groups with at least one boy equal to groups with one boy (and 2 girls) plus groups with 2 boys (and 1 girl) plus groups with 3 boys: $$C^1_{7}*C^2_4+C^2_{7}*C^1_4+C^3_{7}=161$$.

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30 Jun 2012, 04:50
Awesome. Thanks Bunuel!

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30 Dec 2013, 07:34
bmwhype2 wrote:
The music class consists of 4 girls and 7 boys. How many ways can a group of 3 be formed if it has to include at least one boy?

A. 155
B. 158
C. 161
D. 165
E. 172

Reverse combinatorics approach is preferred method on this one
Note that at least 1 boy gives clue to using this method

All combinations - four girls = answer

All combinations is 11C3 = 165

All girls 4C3 = 4

So our answer is 165-4 = 161

Hence, answer is (C)

Hope it helps
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bmwhype2 wrote:
The music class consists of 4 girls and 7 boys. How many ways can a group of 3 be formed if it has to include at least one boy?

A. 155
B. 158
C. 161
D. 165
E. 172

We want At least 1 boy = Total - all girls
Now all 3 girls can be selected in 4C3 = 4 ways
No. of ways in which 3 people can be selected out of 11 = !!C3 = 165
Required number of ways = 165 - 4
= 161.

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31 Mar 2015, 13:13
I often confuse distinct between n!/((n-k)!*k!) and simple n!/(n-k)!. In this case I spend 90 seconds using solving 3 components, got answer 420, find out that it s wrong and divided every component to k!. And I did it with a simple example (how many variants to take 2 from 4) That is not good, I suppose) Too much time, and big risk to make mistake. What can you advice?
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