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The notion that our happiness or our suffering depend upon ourselves is not always true.
(A) our suffering depend upon ourselves
(B) our suffering depends upon us
(C) our sufferings depend upon ourselves
(D) our suffering depend on us
(E) our suffering depends upon ourselves

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 [#permalink] New post 28 Jun 2004, 04:48
IMO (D) is best (Though I strongly doubt that :? )
I think "based on" is the correct idiom.
Also we need plural for suffering, so depend is ok.
We need us and not ourselves.

Anybody else who would like to argue against the said opinion!!!
(I know many of you will think, this guy needs to do more practice with SC and may be you r right :oops: )
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 [#permalink] New post 28 Jun 2004, 10:31
hi my ans wud ...

B...

first and foremost... either and or give only a singular flow...

hence we need ''depends'' that helsp us eliminate C ( which is special as it goes sufferings and depend) A n D...
as regards C we don have to change the original part as it goes ...
between B and e...

b IS THE BETTER PICK...

''we depend on ourselves''

''some thing else depends on US'

so her X and Y depend upon US...

hope th was clear...

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 [#permalink] New post 28 Jun 2004, 12:01
B for best.

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 [#permalink] New post 28 Jun 2004, 14:22
I'd go with B on this one. This has to do with use of reflexive pronoun. As said by enigmatic, A, C and D can be eliminated because they should be singular. It is either happiness or suffering which depends.

B and E are more tricky. Use of reflexive pronoun, as Enigmatic pointed out, needs a person to which that pronoun can reflect:
Ex: I have completed the homework by myself. "myself" has pronoun "I" to which the action of "completing" is reflected.
Ex: The homework has been completed by me. There is no pronoun/person to which the action can be reflected. Hence, you use the subjective form "me"

The original sentence does not have any pronoun/person to which "ourselves" is reflected upon. Hence, use "us". Whenever possible, although it may not sound grammatically wrong, don't overabuse the use of reflexive pronouns (ending in "self")
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 [#permalink] New post 28 Jun 2004, 17:26
I also picked B

However OA is E

Their explanation:
in the context of this sentence, the reflexive pronoun 'ourselves' is preferable to the objective pronoun 'us', since the meaning of the verb 'depends' reflects back to us

I am still not convinced with this explanation.

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 [#permalink] New post 28 Jun 2004, 17:53
Hmmm, I'm skeptical about this explanation
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since the meaning of the verb 'depends' reflects back to us

I would still stand by B on this one. These SCs of late are very tricky :madd
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 [#permalink] New post 28 Jun 2004, 19:35
Paul wrote:
Hmmm, I'm skeptical about this explanation
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since the meaning of the verb 'depends' reflects back to us

I would still stand by B on this one. These SCs of late are very tricky :madd


I don't think that is the reason. We prefer "oneself" when refer to "one". similarly "ourselves" when refer to "our".

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 [#permalink] New post 28 Jun 2004, 23:34
I prefer E since it is understood who the pronoun refers back to.
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 [#permalink] New post 30 Jun 2004, 20:29
I also picked e out of the box, OB's reasoning are similar to mine
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 [#permalink] New post 30 Jun 2004, 21:57
I will stand by (B)

We motivate ourselves to take the GMAT but the final outcome does not depend on us

I don't know if the example is ok :roll:
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 [#permalink] New post 03 Jul 2004, 03:35
in the first instance (less than 30 seconds) i have chosen E. but after reading i want some explanation about better forms.

ourselves / us and some examples..

can any body provide them.

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Re: The notion that our happiness or our suffering depend upon [#permalink] New post 27 Feb 2014, 13:51
What is wrong with option c ?
How does one decide whether sufferings or suffering should be used ?
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Re: The notion that our happiness or our suffering depend upon [#permalink] New post 10 Mar 2014, 05:09
B & E both correct the singular problem that exists in A,C &D. Now

depends upon ourselves - correct
depends on us - correct
depends upon us - incorrect.

B uses the last construct thus is wrong. E wins.
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Re: The notion that our happiness or our suffering depend upon [#permalink] New post 10 Mar 2014, 09:48
IMO the answer is E.

"our happiness or our suffering" should be followed by "depends" (singular), therefore, A, C, and D are out. Between B and E, I went with E only because it sounds better.
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Re: The notion that our happiness or our suffering depend upon [#permalink] New post 28 Mar 2014, 07:05
I went with option B.....Expert's please clarify.....Thanks in advance...
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Re: The notion that our happiness or our suffering depend upon [#permalink] New post 28 Mar 2014, 10:03
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I went with option B.....Expert's please clarify.....Thanks in advance...


Hi,
Let me give a try.
Only diff between B & E is "us" & "ourselves"
The subject of verb "depends" is "our" which is possessive, so its object has to be "ourselves"

Note, only when subject is "we" then we can use object as "us"
Thats why "ourselves" is preferred.


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Re: The notion that our happiness or our suffering depend upon [#permalink] New post 12 Aug 2014, 07:18
A or B is
As or B is
A or Bs are
The main verb refers to B.
So here depends.
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I think the confusion is between B and E, rest of the options have Subject-Verb agreement issue.
The only difference between B and E is the use of "us" vs "ourselves". Now words such as ourselves, himself, myself and itself are called reflexive pronouns. These words are used if the object(s) and the subject(s) refer to the same person(s) or thing(s). For example

I can only blame me for my failures. - Incorrect
I can only blame myself for my failures. - Correct
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