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The steel industry has changed radically over the last two decades, as large, integrated companies such as Bethlehem Steel once conducted operations from mining at one end of the process to shipping at the other have greatly downsized, or in some cases shut down altogether.
A. as large, integrated companies such as Bethlehem Steel
B. as large, integrated companies, such as Bethlehem Steel, that
C. with large, integrated companies, such as Bethlehem Steel, that
D. while large, integrated companies, such as Bethlehem Steel, that
E. and large, integrated companies such as Bethlehem Steel
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Re: SC [#permalink] New post 03 Oct 2007, 21:01
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The steel industry has changed radically over the last two decades, as large, integrated companies such as Bethlehem Steel once conducted operations from mining at one end of the process to shipping at the other have greatly downsized, or in some cases shut down altogether.
A. as large, integrated companies such as Bethlehem Steel
B. as large, integrated companies, such as Bethlehem Steel, that
C. with large, integrated companies, such as Bethlehem Steel, that
D. while large, integrated companies, such as Bethlehem Steel, that
E. and large, integrated companies such as Bethlehem Steel


great question! took me longer to figure out and parse the sentence correctly :)
between B, C, and D

should be "integrated companies, [such as Bethlehem Steel], that once"

the only choice that is most clear is C "with large, integrated.."
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Re: SC [#permalink] New post 03 Oct 2007, 21:09
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The steel industry has changed radically over the last two decades, as large, integrated companies such as Bethlehem Steel once conducted operations from mining at one end of the process to shipping at the other have greatly downsized, or in some cases shut down altogether.
A. as large, integrated companies such as Bethlehem Steel
B. as large, integrated companies, such as Bethlehem Steel, that
C. with large, integrated companies, such as Bethlehem Steel, that
D. while large, integrated companies, such as Bethlehem Steel, that
E. and large, integrated companies such as Bethlehem Steel


B. Among A, B and E, I take B for "that", which is necessary.
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 [#permalink] New post 03 Oct 2007, 21:34
going with C...

in C there is no confusion as to what is being infered in the sentence...

industry changed..with LARG corporation doing blah blah..
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 [#permalink] New post 04 Oct 2007, 02:27
"that" is necessary, so it's between B, C & D.

The difference between these three is "as", "with" and "while".

While suggests contrast. There's no contrast - the case of Bethlehem Steel is consistent with the general comment.

With can't be right (with companies have downsized)

Answer must be B.
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 [#permalink] New post 04 Oct 2007, 05:17
The steel industry has changed radically over the last two decades, as large, integrated companies such as Bethlehem Steel once conducted operations from mining at one end of the process to shipping at the other have greatly downsized, or in some cases shut down altogether.

A. as large, integrated companies such as Bethlehem Steel
B. as large, integrated companies, such as Bethlehem Steel, that
C. with large, integrated companies, such as Bethlehem Steel, that
D. while large, integrated companies, such as Bethlehem Steel, that
E. and large, integrated companies such as Bethlehem Steel

A is wrong IMO cause we need "that" here
Between B & C

My Answer: C

What is the OA please ??
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 [#permalink] New post 04 Oct 2007, 05:33
OA = B

I picked C. However, can someone explain to me why "with" is wrong in this case? I need to understand this....
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 [#permalink] New post 04 Oct 2007, 07:04
bkk145 wrote:
OA = B

I picked C. However, can someone explain to me why "with" is wrong in this case? I need to understand this....


I have seen answer choice "with" is corect in some very rare cases but in most of the cases it is wrong. just remember it.
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 [#permalink] New post 04 Oct 2007, 07:15
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OA = B

I picked C. However, can someone explain to me why "with" is wrong in this case? I need to understand this....


I have seen answer choice "with" is corect in some very rare cases but in most of the cases it is wrong. just remember it.


ok thanks...will remember :)
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 [#permalink] New post 04 Oct 2007, 07:47
I think it's B because you would say "as large companies have downsized" as opposed to "with large companies have downsized".

If it were "[...] large companies downsizing" then I would agree with C.
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 [#permalink] New post 04 Oct 2007, 09:04
gmat doesnt like 'with' especially if it is preceded by comma
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Re: SC [#permalink] New post 04 Oct 2007, 09:08
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The steel industry has changed radically over the last two decades, as large, integrated companies such as Bethlehem Steel once conducted operations from mining at one end of the process to shipping at the other have greatly downsized, or in some cases shut down altogether.
A. as large, integrated companies such as Bethlehem Steel
B. as large, integrated companies, such as Bethlehem Steel, that
C. with large, integrated companies, such as Bethlehem Steel, that
D. while large, integrated companies, such as Bethlehem Steel, that
E. and large, integrated companies such as Bethlehem Steel


Has to be "B"
Break the sentence

The steel industry "has changed" _______________ once conducted blah blah "have" greatly downsized or shut down

Now fill the blank -
A - It's correct for most part but we will need a "that" before "once"
B - No errors
C - can you pair "with companies" with "have downsized/shut"? It should be something like with companies "shutting down"
D - "while" changes the meaning, has to be "as"
E - Same problem as that of A, it misses "that"
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 [#permalink] New post 04 Oct 2007, 20:49
"as" is a conjunction and "with" is a preposition.

"The steel industry has changed radically over the last two decades" is an independent clause so we need a conjunction "as" to introduce another clause.

Otherwise it is a run-on sentence

B stands for that reason
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 [#permalink] New post 08 Oct 2007, 09:54
trivikram wrote:
"as" is a conjunction and "with" is a preposition.

"The steel industry has changed radically over the last two decades" is an independent clause so we need a conjunction "as" to introduce another clause.

Otherwise it is a run-on sentence

B stands for that reason


I was able to get down to B, C, and D...but I couldn't figure out how to eliminate between "as", "with", and "While"....

Now I know from the discussion above

"while" - means contrast
"as" - conjunction
"with" - preposition
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 [#permalink] New post 08 Oct 2007, 10:30
trivikram wrote:
"as" is a conjunction and "with" is a preposition.

"The steel industry has changed radically over the last two decades" is an independent clause so we need a conjunction "as" to introduce another clause.

Otherwise it is a run-on sentence

B stands for that reason


Excellent. With is used to create prepositional phrases. With is also very popularly used to create subordinate (or dependent clauses) - also known as adverbial clauses.

It would have been ok if the sentence said --

The steel industry has changed radically [..] with large, integrated companies, such as Bethlehem Steel, that once conducted operations from mining at one end of the process to shipping at the other DOWNSIZING or in some cases SHUTTING down altogether

The whole part appearing after WITH has now gotten converted into an adverbial clause modifying the adverb RADICALLY.

I hope you all see the point...
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