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The Supreme Court has ruled that public universities may collect student activity fees even with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be chosen without regard to their views.

(A) with students' objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be
(B) if they have objections to particular activities and the groups that are given the money are
(C) if they object to particular activities, but the groups that the money is given to have to be
(D) from students who object to particular activities, so long as the groups given money are
(E) though students have an objection to particular activities, but the groups that are given the money be

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Re: The Supreme Court has ruled that public universities may [#permalink] New post 14 Oct 2012, 21:29
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"universities may collect student activity fees even with students' objections to particular activities"

it sounds like the universities are collecting both fees and objections together - collecting fees with objections, like collecting dolls with special dresses. But that doesn't make any sense, right?

So I scanned down to see what my other options are. "universities may collect student activity fees even..."
A) with objections
B/C) if they (have objections / object)
D) from students who object
E) though students have an objection

A just repeats the original - eliminate.

B and C use the pronoun "they" so I've got to scan back and see whether "students" (the logical antecedent) is in the sentence. It's not, so "they" has no antecedent (ie, noun to which "they" refers). Eliminate B and C.

"student" isn't in possessive form, so it's not possessive poison, but "student" is an adjective here. "Student activity fees" - the noun is "fees" and "student" is just describing the type of fee. So you still couldn't use even a singular pronoun to refer to the word "student" because "student" isn't a noun in the original sentence.

a pronoun has to work both structurally and logically. If you use a subject pronoun in a later clause, then you would structurally expect the noun antecedent to be the subject of an earlier clause. If the pronoun points to one noun structurally but logically it points to a different one, that's ambiguous - and therefore wrong.

So let's look at B: "universities may collect student activity fees even if they have objections to particular activities..." In this part, "they" is a subject pronoun, so the structural antecedent is "universities" - but logically that doesn't make sense. Logically, "they" should refer to students who object to the activities (and that noun is not even in the sentence!). So that's a mismatch and B is wrong.

E has multiple problems. This opening bit that we've been looking at changes the meaning: instead of saying "I can collect money from everyone, even from those students who object," it's saying "I can collect money even though (all) students object." The word "but" later in the sentence also changes the intent - the stuff after the comma is supposed to indicate the rule that the universities have to follow in order to collect money from everyone. The word "but" introduces a contrast, which isn't the right meaning. There are other problems with this one, but that's enough to eliminate!

That leaves us with D.
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 [#permalink] New post 05 Oct 2005, 10:51
I found the question to be poorly worded, because it is not clear who the "their" in the part after the underlined section refers to. But IMO, it refers to the universities. So, the court has ruled that if the money is not given based on the universities views, then money can be collected from all students, even if some students have objections to certain activities.
My choice is D!
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Re: SC-Student Activity fees [#permalink] New post 05 Oct 2005, 11:34
Go with D...

Eliminate B and C - they needs to refer to students..but it doesn't
A- use of the infinitive
E - seems wrong..not sure exactly why
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The Supreme Court has ruled that public universities may collect student activity fees even with students’ objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be chosen without regard to their views.

(A) with students’ objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be
(B) if they have objections to particular activities and the groups that are give n the money are
(C) if they object to particular activities, but the groups that the money is give to have to be
(D) from students who object to particular activities, so long as the groups given money are
(E) though students have an objection to particular activities, but the groups that are given the money be
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 [#permalink] New post 05 Oct 2005, 13:06
This one was very tricky, I could narrow between B or D and ultimately chose D because it is better constructed and there is reference to THEY.


OA / OE Please ?
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 [#permalink] New post 05 Oct 2005, 15:35
A, B &C are ambiguous in their referring to 'they'. E's construction is awkward.
D is the best choice
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 [#permalink] New post 05 Oct 2005, 18:11
A - 'they' is a little ambiguos here
B,C - 'they' has no clear referent
E - awkward phrasing

D is the best choice.
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 [#permalink] New post 06 Oct 2005, 06:04
OA is D
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 [#permalink] New post 06 Oct 2005, 13:59
even from is idiomatic. And D has that. so D is the only correct answer.
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 [#permalink] New post 06 Nov 2005, 07:12
E for me;

They in B & C is ambiguous; D can be ruled out because it should be 'students' not 'student'; they in A is also ambiguous
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Re: SC: Supreme Court [#permalink] New post 06 Nov 2005, 07:22
D would be ok, if had "students". E is also not correct.
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 [#permalink] New post 06 Nov 2005, 15:01
Both B and C are worng because they have no reference. A is wrong because "even with students' objections" modifies student activity fees and this doesn't make much sense. E is wrong because "but the groups that are given the money be" doesn't make much sense. Why is the verb of this clause subjunctive?. Only D remains.
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 [#permalink] New post 06 Nov 2005, 18:41
only D and E refer clearly to the students

D) from student who object to particular activities, so long as the groups given money are

E) though students have an objection to particular activities, but the groups that are given the money be

IMO D is out, it should be written like this :
student who OBJECTS or studentS who object

so E, because of POE on D
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Re: SC: Supreme Court [#permalink] New post 06 Nov 2005, 20:51
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D would be ok, if had "students". E is also not correct.


I guess "student" is a typo.
should have been "students".
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 [#permalink] New post 06 Nov 2005, 21:36
isn't the expression "groups given money" awkward?
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 [#permalink] New post 06 Nov 2005, 23:13
Lets see.

A. even with is unidiomatic
B. They is ambiguous
C. They is ambiguous

So we are left wth D and E.

now D has problem with subject verb agreement. it should have been students who object or student who objects. So we can keep it out.

Although E is not the best way to write a sentece, by POE it is the answer choice.
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 [#permalink] New post 06 Nov 2005, 23:40
I would go with 'E'

A - Singular/Plural error
B,C - wrong usage of '...they....'
D - Singular/Plural error
E - Is the correct answer. The meaning is also quite clear.
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 [#permalink] New post 07 Nov 2005, 11:06
I am so sorry guys but gamjatang is right, student was a typo. Sorry, sorry sorry my fault.
But still you were right only D remains and D is the OA:
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 [#permalink] New post 01 Apr 2006, 00:02
Can someone please explain why it is D?

1. I dont really understand "the groups given money". It means that the groups receive money? I never heard about such a construction with given. The passive form could be the groups are given money. I tried to search on internet, but couldnt find any explanation of "someone + given + smthing"

2. I dont understand the meaning of the complete sentence. Who are the groups? Does that mean that the university, through student groups, can collect money from students? Who is chosing the group without regard to its view, the university or the student.

Im completly stuck on this SC! Thanks for your explanations.
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 [#permalink] New post 01 Apr 2006, 00:25
The Supreme Court has ruled that public universities may collect student activity fees even with students’ objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be chosen without regard to their views.

(A) with students’ objections to particular activities, so long as the groups they give money to will be - uses be which is not liked in GMAT, with student objections id too wordy(B) if they have objections to particular activities and the groups that are give n the money are - they refers to students or universities, not clear(
C) if they object to particular activities, but the groups that the money is give to have to be - uses be which is not liked in GMAT, uses ambiguous they
(D) from students who object to particular activities, so long as the groups given money are - CORRECT
(E) though students have an objection to particular activities, but the groups that are given the money be - uses be which is not liked in GMAT, wordy
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