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The U.S. Forest Service, then five years old, decided to put out every fire in its domain, and within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

A. within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

B. within three decades the agency has formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

C. within three decades the agency had formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

D. within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished more quickly than they had been in the past.

E. within three decades the agency has formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished more quickly than they had been in the past.
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 [#permalink] New post 28 Jun 2006, 06:53
biggamejames wrote:
I'm on B.


I think C

Can you guys please explain why you are choosing 'has formulated what it called"?
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 [#permalink] New post 28 Jun 2006, 08:11
Definitely C for me...

The agence formulated "whatever" WITHIN 3 decades... meaning that thay are completely done and finished with this matter, so we need PAST PERFECT to show that some action was finished in the past, but lasted for some time (3 decades)

C is the only choice that uses HAD+Past Participle (past perfect)

Lesson again: LEARN YOUR TENSES... not only the formulas, but the uses!!! :wink:


A. within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy
agency generally formulated... but what about 3 decades mentioned?

B. within three decades the agency has formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy
"has formulated" is present perfect, meaning that they are still working on it... yet the 3 decades indicate that it was finished

C. BINGO

D. same as A

E. same as B

Now is D and E "more quickly" vs. "quickier" in A B and C... I chose my answer based on tenses, but if some experts can clarify this adverb problem, I would greatly appreciate it!... Obviously "quckier" might be the correct one, since that should be correct answer, but just want to know 'why'...

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 [#permalink] New post 28 Jun 2006, 08:12
I think B because the 10 Am policy continues today.
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 [#permalink] New post 28 Jun 2006, 08:33
biggamejames wrote:
I think B because the 10 Am policy continues today.


then, what about "within 3 decades"... "within" says that that time was finished... there is a boundary

in addition, the question here isn't whether 10am policy continues today... it is about when it was formulated...

i hope this is a valid argument... :)
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 [#permalink] New post 28 Jun 2006, 09:50
Definitely D

1. The action was completed in the past so we need past simple here.
2. You can't modify a verb with an ajective , so an adverb is necessary here: extinguished more quickly , rather then extinguished quicker

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The only accepted usage of past perfect is when you want to emphasize that one of the events in the past had completed before some other event in the past did. That is, it is used to show the sequence of events.
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 [#permalink] New post 28 Jun 2006, 10:25
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Definitely D

1. The action was completed in the past so we need past simple here.
2. You can't modify a verb with an ajective , so an adverb is necessary here: extinguished more quickly , rather then extinguished quicker

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The only accepted usage of past perfect is when you want to emphasize that one of the events in the past had completed before some other event in the past did. That is, it is used to show the sequence of events.


I vote for D too for the the same reasons.
'decided' happened earlier than 'formulated'.

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 [#permalink] New post 28 Jun 2006, 10:34
deowl wrote:
Definitely D

1. The action was completed in the past so we need past simple here.
2. You can't modify a verb with an ajective , so an adverb is necessary here: extinguished more quickly , rather then extinguished quicker

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The only accepted usage of past perfect is when you want to emphasize that one of the events in the past had completed before some other event in the past did. That is, it is used to show the sequence of events.


so the sequence to me sounded as they decided first, and then they had completed within 3 decades :? or it should be they had decided, then completed... 3 decades led me to the first choice... since I took it as a strech of time...

one of the my valid arguments is that you need to learn the use of tenses and I am doing just that...:wall
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 [#permalink] New post 29 Jun 2006, 10:12
OA is D.

I have a question.Which comes earlier- the agency formulated the policy or they decided to put out fire.
Logically if we look at it, decision should be followed by formulation.
What does within 3yrs suggest? In my understanding 'within 3yrs' is
the same as 'in a span of 3yrs'.So it can be past or present, how do we decide?
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 [#permalink] New post 29 Jun 2006, 10:53
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OA is D.

I have a question.Which comes earlier- the agency formulated the policy or they decided to put out fire.
Logically if we look at it, decision should be followed by formulation.
What does within 3yrs suggest? In my understanding 'within 3yrs' is
the same as 'in a span of 3yrs'.So it can be past or present, how do we decide?


Obviously they decided to put out every fire and, therefore, they formulated the policy later.
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 [#permalink] New post 29 Jun 2006, 11:28
Thats a good one. I also chose B :( :(
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Re: SC: Fire [#permalink] New post 30 Jun 2006, 01:58
zoom612 wrote:
The U.S. Forest Service, then five years old, decided to put out every fire in its domain, and within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

A. within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

B. within three decades the agency has formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

C. within three decades the agency had formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

D. within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished more quickly than they had been in the past.

E. within three decades the agency has formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished more quickly than they had been in the past.


D !
confused between D and E, though

D's tenses look better
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