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The U.S. Forest Service, then five years old, decided to put out every fire in its domain, and within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

A. within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

B. within three decades the agency has formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

C. within three decades the agency had formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

D. within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished more quickly than they had been in the past.

E. within three decades the agency has formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished more quickly than they had been in the past.

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Re: SC - US Forest [#permalink] New post 14 Mar 2009, 13:24
Between D and E, I chose D.
1. We need adverbial phrase "more quickly"
2.In D, "formulated" and "they had been in the past" show the sequence of past events.
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Re: SC - US Forest [#permalink] New post 14 Mar 2009, 16:54
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Between D and E, I chose D.
1. We need adverbial phrase "more quickly"
2.In D, "formulated" and "they had been in the past" show the sequence of past events.


I agree with D and took a different route.

If you look at all choices, had been is common. So the past perfect progressive tense is common in all choices. So we clearly need a simple past.

Hence A & D remain and all else out.

Between A & D, I chose D.

Botirvoy,

Can you please explain the need for adverbial phrase?
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Re: SC - US Forest [#permalink] New post 14 Mar 2009, 23:10
D , because Adverbial Phrase "more quickly than" is preferred over "Quicker"(I posted one similar Q yesterday)
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Re: SC - US Forest [#permalink] New post 15 Mar 2009, 07:27
can someone please explain why adverbial phrase "more quickly" is preferred over "quicker"
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Re: SC - US Forest [#permalink] New post 15 Mar 2009, 07:37
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can someone please explain why adverbial phrase "more quickly" is preferred over "quicker"



I chose D too..

quickly (Adverb) clearly modifies " extinguished" (Verb)
quicker (Adj) .. can't modifiy "extinguished" (Verb)
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Re: SC - US Forest [#permalink] New post 15 Mar 2009, 07:40
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If you want to modify the verb "extinguished", you ll need an adverb/adverbial. Hence we need "quickly" - "quicker" is an adjective.
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Re: SC - US Forest [#permalink] New post 29 Jan 2010, 20:48
Before reading the sentence, I looked for an initial split. I then read the sentence and chose formulated. I eliminated all but A and D and then chose D because of 'more quickly.'

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Re: SC - US Forest [#permalink] New post 30 Jan 2010, 11:30
My ans: D

A/B/C incorrectly uses quicker. The comparison between the adverb quicker is used to compare the how quickly fires were extinguished "now" compared to the past. To correct this you need to add more quickly to form the correct comparison

D: correct use or past perfect "Had". You only use perfect tenses to clarify a sequence of events. The sequence of events is "3 decades ago" and 5 years ago. 3 decades ago is twice removed from the past and uses the "had" past perfect" and you need the simple past "formulated" to describe the 5 years ago.

E: just incorrectly uses the perfect tenses has and had


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Re: SC - US Forest [#permalink] New post 10 Feb 2010, 20:08
[quote][/quote]

As mentioned in Chapter 7 MGMAT, 'with in last 10 days', 'for the last ten days'... demand present/past perfect tense. Going as per this logic, it should be 'E'

What is the source for this problem.??
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Re: SC - US Forest [#permalink] New post 10 Feb 2010, 20:55
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The U.S. Forest Service, then five years old, decided to put out every fire in its domain, and within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

A. within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

B. within three decades the agency has formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

C. within three decades the agency had formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

D. within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished more quickly than they had been in the past.

E. within three decades the agency has formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished more quickly than they had been in the past.

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eliminated A,B,C - quicker.
Between D and E eliminated E for using had been..
imo D
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Re: SC - US Forest [#permalink] New post 05 Feb 2011, 09:18
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The U.S. Forest Service, then five years old, decided to put out every fire in its domain, and within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

A. within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

B. within three decades the agency has formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

C. within three decades the agency had formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

D. within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished more quickly than they had been in the past.

E. within three decades the agency has formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished more quickly than they had been in the past.

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quick modifies verb (extinguished) thus we need adverbial modifier -> "quickly" ELIMINATE ABC
between D and E chose D because has formulated means it is still formulating but then uses verb CALLED in the past so formulation action should be finished....

D my choice !
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Re: SC - US Forest [#permalink] New post 05 Feb 2011, 15:51
D. The action in underlined part did not occur earlier than that in non-underlined part. So, simple past is required. 'more quickly' is correct usage.
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Re: SC - US Forest [#permalink] New post 05 Feb 2011, 18:14
Wonder if anyone could clarify this:

-The prepositional phrase "within..." requires a simple tense? I.e. "within 3 years, it has been" is always wrong?

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Re: SC - US Forest [#permalink] New post 06 Feb 2011, 23:59
has formulated / formulated. Which one is better? Both seem alright

since the action started sometime in the past - "has formulated" is alright
since we can put both actions in the past - "decided" and "formulated" (happened after 3 decades) "formulated" is alright.

I can't choose one from the other :-(
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Re: SC - US Forest [#permalink] New post 07 Feb 2011, 17:54
still not convinced about choosing between D & E.. i chose E..
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As mentioned in Chapter 7 MGMAT, 'with in last 10 days', 'for the last ten days'... demand present/past perfect tense. Going as per this logic, it should be 'E'

What is the source for this problem.??



I have the same MGMAT trouble.. with in last 10 days', 'for the last ten days'... demand present/past perfect tense.
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[/quote] D. The action in underlined part did not occur earlier than that in non-underlined part. So, simple past is required. 'more quickly' is correct usage.[/quote]

Simple past would have been correct if we would have used a perfect tense in non underlined part. However, a time cue is there in the non underlined part and thus we didn't use perfect tense.
So we can use perfect tense here as the effect of formulation still exists... as per Manhattan, within calls for using perfect tense.. :shock:

Can anybody untangle me..?! :stab

I mean am for E over D.
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Re: SC - US Forest [#permalink] New post 17 Aug 2011, 02:25
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As mentioned in Chapter 7 MGMAT, 'with in last 10 days', 'for the last ten days'... demand present/past perfect tense. Going as per this logic, it should be 'E'

What is the source for this problem.??



I have the same MGMAT trouble.. with in last 10 days', 'for the last ten days'... demand present/past perfect tense.
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D. The action in underlined part did not occur earlier than that in non-underlined part. So, simple past is required. 'more quickly' is correct usage.[/quote]

Simple past would have been correct if we would have used a perfect tense in non underlined part. However, a time cue is there in the non underlined part and thus we didn't use perfect tense.
So we can use perfect tense here as the effect of formulation still exists... as per Manhattan, within calls for using perfect tense.. :shock:

Can anybody untangle me..?! :stab

I mean am for E over D.[/quote]

I am in the "E" league. "Within" demands present perfect.
"D" is a fragment at its best.

The U.S. Forest Service, then five years old, decided to put out every fire in its domain, and within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished more quickly than they had been in the past.

The U.S. Forest Service decided to put out every fire in its domain (Standalone clause-good)
, AND(Coordinating conjunction-fine; I am expecting an entire clause, at least a subordinate clause after this)
within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, [strike]directing that fires be extinguished more quickly than they had been in the past.[/strike](Getting rid of participial clause)

Now, "three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy"--- I am waiting- someone please tell me what did the Service do within 3 decades of the formulation.
I don't see "formulated" as a working verb, but rather as a modifier describing the action executed on the policy; "formulated" the policy. It's conveying that the policy was formulated in a split instance(an act completed 3 decades back), but fails to complete the sentence.

E- has a proper working verb. "has formulated". Now, I know that within 3 decades, the company "has formulated" the policy. The formulation was the continuous event that completed within the 3-decade period.

Ans: "E"
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Re: SC - US Forest [#permalink] New post 18 Aug 2011, 08:05
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punzoo wrote:
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As mentioned in Chapter 7 MGMAT, 'with in last 10 days', 'for the last ten days'... demand present/past perfect tense. Going as per this logic, it should be 'E'

What is the source for this problem.??



I have the same MGMAT trouble.. with in last 10 days', 'for the last ten days'... demand present/past perfect tense.
Also, -

D. The action in underlined part did not occur earlier than that in non-underlined part. So, simple past is required. 'more quickly' is correct usage.[/quote]

Simple past would have been correct if we would have used a perfect tense in non underlined part. However, a time cue is there in the non underlined part and thus we didn't use perfect tense.
So we can use perfect tense here as the effect of formulation still exists... as per Manhattan, within calls for using perfect tense.. :shock:

Can anybody untangle me..?! :stab

I mean am for E over D.[/quote]

I was fooled by the "has formulated" as well

As the poster above mentioned, the word "called" implies that the action of formulation occurred and finished in the past. Therefore, the present perfect tense doesn't work here.
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The U.S. Forest Service, then five years old, decided to put out every fire in its domain, and within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

A. within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

B. within three decades the agency has formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

C. within three decades the agency had formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished quicker than they had been in the past.

D. within three decades the agency formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished more quickly than they had been in the past.

E. within three decades the agency has formulated what it called the 10 A.M. policy, directing that fires be extinguished more quickly than they had been in the past.

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Answer: D

Parallelism - "decided to put out..." and "formulated what it called..."
Adverbs - "extinguished more quickly" vs "extinguished quicker"
You say 'fires are extinguished quickly' instead of 'fires are extinguished quick'. As such, when you are trying to imply an increased efficiency, you say 'fires are extinguished more quickly' instead of 'fires are extinguished quicker'. :)
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