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you said you were scoring in the 700s on MGMAT CATs, which you were taking for the third time? the 700s here would obviously overstate your score as you were bound to see a lots of repeats.. sorry buddy, i think it's probably important to find out why you're consistently underperforming and improve on those weakness areas. error log sounds like a good idea in your case.
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I agree with bb... you showed minimal improvement in 3 months. While it is difficult to improve by leaps and bounds once you hit the 600 range a course should have been able to push you to the next level. This is why we pay for them no? Reach out to Kaplan they should provide some advice.
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In the three tests you have been hovering around 40 in Quant and 35-38 in Verbal. There is a lot you can improve in quant given that your percentile in verbal is 80. You can move to Q47 to get to the 80 percentile. You preparation
should be totally focused on Quant. 2 months in Quant rabbit hole and 700 is in your bag. Giving more tests, taking another prep course would be less useful IMO. A math tutor would be much better.
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I second AbhiJ about math tutor, there is so much scope for improvement in math and i am sure one day you will but make sure you get a good one.
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Re: Third Time Not a Charm - Really Depressed [#permalink]
Thanks to everyone for the great feedback and advice. I will be speaking to my Kaplan GMAT instructors to see what they recommend also.

I especially like the AbhiJ's advice that since my verbal score is so high, I should be totally focused on quant in my prep. I also appreciate Rajeev's 2nd on that advice.

At this point, I am thinking that what I need to do is revisit my MGMAT quant books and go through them page-by-page. And then once I am done, do it again. Then, and only then, should I take another practice CAT. Which is what Rajeev was trying to tell me to do 2 months ago...

I am also interested in the idea of using an error log, but I am not quite sure how to do that.

And I also like the idea of a math tutor, but I think it would have to be a GMAT math tutor, not a general math tutor.

Since, I have used my MGMAT CATs 3 times in a row I am thinking they are no longer a valid predictor of my progress in being prepared to take the real test. And, I only have 3 Kaplan CATs left that I have never used. So, I am wondering what other CATs should I get that I can use as a good predictor of actual test day performance?

Thank you.
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Re: Third Time Not a Charm - Really Depressed [#permalink]
There are also the gmatprep CATs if you haven't used those (from mba.com).. those will probably be most accurate.

the error log, from what I understand, is simply tracking every question you miss so that you can revisit the question and figure out WHY you missed it... this way you are actually correcting your mistakes and learning rather than just grinding through the questions.

Hope this helps, good luck!
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Re: Third Time Not a Charm - Really Depressed [#permalink]
Thanks for the advice! I've used those before, so I don't know how good of a predictor they would be for me anymore. Although, I haven't used them for about 3 months. So, maybe they could be useful again.

Thanks for the tip on the error log also. :)
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Re: Third Time Not a Charm - Really Depressed [#permalink]
@rsampson- I feel almost obligated to reply to your post since I faced similar problem, however, in Verbal.

I wanted know your Quant scores in MGMAT tests or GMATPrep practice tests. The reason for asking is that before we look for solution, we need to find out the root cause. We need to determine whether there is a gap in concepts OR a gap in implementation/timing-strategy.

If your quant scores were more than 45 in MGMAT or 48 in GMATPrep, the issue lies in implementation details. Otherwise, you may need to work on concepts.

So, when you get a chance, please post your quant scores in practice tests.
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Re: Third Time Not a Charm - Really Depressed [#permalink]
rj1, thank you for your response. I would greatly welcome your advice. As requested here is my score information:

The Kaplan scores only break out quant and verbal by percentile.

Kaplan GMAT Scores
CAT1 610 Q40% V97%
CAT2 590 Q51% V64%
CAT3 610 Q63% V43%
CAT4 610 Q51% V81%
CAT5 610 Q46% V81%
CAT6 600 Q46% V78%
CAT7 680 Q59% V99%

MGMAT Scores
2.26.12
Manhattan GMAT Cat #6A
quantitative-42 verbal-38 overall-660

3.4.12
Manhattan GMAT Cat #1B
quantitative-43 verbal-44 overall-710

3.17.12
Manhattan GMAT Cat #2B
quantitative-43 verbal-41 overall-700

3.24.12
Manhattan GMAT Cat #3B
quantitative-43 verbal-40 overall-690

Actual GMAT Tests
12.23.11
Actual GMAT Test #1 quantitative-41 verbal-35 overall-620

1.27.12
Actual GMAT Test #2 quantitative-40 verbal-38 overall-640

3.26.12
Actual GMAT Test #3 quantitative-40 verbal-36 overall-630
I also thought it would be useful to go through my last 3 Kaplan tests that I did before test day and write down the problems I got wrong by question type. Here it is:
Algebra 17
Arithmetic 2
Geometry 5
Numb Prop 8
Prop of Sets 6
Proportions 8

I would really appreciate your advice. Thank you.
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Re: Third Time Not a Charm - Really Depressed [#permalink]
I meant to to say rg1. Sorry... Also, I should point out that this was the 3rd time that I have used the MGMAT practice tests. At this point, I no longer consider them a good predictor of my test day performance.
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Re: Third Time Not a Charm - Really Depressed [#permalink]
@rsampson- Thank you for providing more information. I think CATs don't tell the complete story. For example, you would get roughly get 40% of questions incorrect which might have been solvable per one's level but one never got chance due to time crunch. So, error logs comes in handy and can actually pin point the problems.

At this point, i'd say that either create the error log of OG 12, and Quant OG 2nd edition questions that can classify your weaknesses OR buy kaplan question bank which can provide you analytics. Start working on MGMAT Quant guides and solve the questions in OGs, if you haven't memorized the answers, OR solve corresponding type of questions in kaplan question bank.

Once you finish all the chapters or even while working on concepts, you will learn a lot from basics, finish huge amount of questions and find out weak areas. Also, results from the question bank should clearly tell you the weaknesses. This whole process will take you good 4-6 weeks depending on your schedule.

Once you become comfortable with all concepts, take mini-tests to train your mind to be under timed conditions. Timing can improve your score but least 3-5 points without extra study.
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