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This is a sentence from Manhattan SC guide :

The rebels demanded the withdrawl of government forces from disputed regions, significant reductions in overall troop levels, raising the rebel flag on holidays, AND a general pardon .

This has an error pf parallelism at underlined portion.What role raising is playing gramatticaly in this sentence if kept as it is ? and what correction should be applied and why ?
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Re: Adavance Parallelism - Manhattan SC Guide - MUST DO [#permalink] New post 22 Apr 2010, 05:34
Nobody to take his chance ? Need some explanation here..
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Re: Adavance Parallelism - Manhattan SC Guide - MUST DO [#permalink] New post 22 Apr 2010, 10:00
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This is a sentence from Manhattan SC guide :

The rebels demanded the withdrawl of government forces from disputed regions, significant reductions in overall troop levels, raising the rebel flag on holidays, AND a general pardon .
This has an error pf parallelism at underlined portion.What role raising is playing gramatticaly in this sentence if kept as it is ? and what correction should be applied and why ?


First of all, never stop. Until you get the answer of your question(s), you should cry for the answer.

I am here to answer your question, though I don't know whether you will be convinced.

Answer of your question:
The rebels demanded the withdrawl of government forces from disputed regions, significant reductions in overall troop levels, raising the rebel flag on holidays, AND a general pardon .

Split the sentence into its skeleton:

The rebels demanded X, Y, Z, and W.
Here, x, y, z, and w are the nouns.
Since withdrawal, reduction, and pardon are all nouns, raising should also be in noun form for parallelism.

Raising itself is a noun, yet we can form noun from verb by following the following structure:

The + Verb +ing +of +Noun

Examples:
I like the reading of history.
The reading of history is my favorite hobby.

So, the correct option should be as follows:

The rebels demanded the withdrawl of government forces from disputed regions, significant reductions in overall troop levels, the raising of the rebel flag on holidays, AND a general pardon .

Hope, it helps.
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Re: Adavance Parallelism - Manhattan SC Guide - MUST DO [#permalink] New post 22 Apr 2010, 10:22
Thank you so much, it makes it clearer . But that's where the problem is as well .

raising itself is noun then why do we need to change it to noun phrase using the + verb + ing ....
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Re: Adavance Parallelism - Manhattan SC Guide - MUST DO [#permalink] New post 22 Apr 2010, 11:12
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Thank you so much, it makes it clearer . But that's where the problem is as well .

raising itself is noun then why do we need to change it to noun phrase using the + verb + ing ....



I fully agree with gmatisnothard. raising here actually working as a present participle. raising the rebel flag. raising is working as Noun adjective. Just the word raising cud act as noun or gerudn or participle depending on its usage. to make raising noun do 'the raising of the rebel flag'
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Re: Adavance Parallelism - Manhattan SC Guide - MUST DO [#permalink] New post 22 Apr 2010, 22:33
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Thank you so much, it makes it clearer . But that's where the problem is as well .

raising itself is noun then why do we need to change it to noun phrase using the + verb + ing ....



I fully agree with gmatisnothard. raising here actually working as a present participle. raising the rebel flag. raising is working as Noun adjective. Just the word raising cud act as noun or gerudn or participle depending on its usage. to make raising noun do 'the raising of the rebel flag'


Yes, absolutely your are right.

raising can be used as present participle, which may be acting as noun or adjective. So, to avoid the ambiguity we should make the verb noun by using "the +verb+ing+of +noun".

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Re: Adavance Parallelism - Manhattan SC Guide - MUST DO [#permalink] New post 05 Oct 2011, 06:08
Hey,

isn't it suppose to be:

The rebels demanded that ... ?
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Re: Adavance Parallelism - Manhattan SC Guide - MUST DO [#permalink] New post 25 Apr 2012, 04:15
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Hey,

isn't it suppose to be:

The rebels demanded that ... ?



I too Think that , the word demand should take subjunctive form and the sentence formation must change ????
Experts please throw some light as to why we are not using sujunctive mood here ???
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Re: This is a sentence from Manhattan SC guide : The rebels [#permalink] New post 25 Apr 2012, 04:31
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isn't it suppose to be:

The rebels demanded that ... ?


it depends on the sentence structure IMO...

you can say: I demanded that my pay be increased. -->clause follows 'that'
or u could say :i demanded an increase in pay.--> a noun modifier (appositive)which acts as an object for the verb demand.

ie you can demand, require, insist, beg 'a noun'...but not a doer (subject) to do something........

Both are correct i think....but i'll be waiting for an expert opinion....
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Re: This is a sentence from Manhattan SC guide : The rebels [#permalink] New post 25 Apr 2012, 05:11
For resolving these kind of ambiguity, you should carefully OG SC. If u do so, you will realize some insights of how GMAT TEST MAKERS view SC logic. From my experience i would like to share some critical points.
Divide the sentence in multiple parts.
Rephrase each part individually and try to find any faulty expression distracting you.

Carefully consider my aforementioned sentence. Using **distracting** i denoted some sort of continuity.

However, sorry for distracting you.

If you observe the pattern of OG SC, you really find out that in past sentence GMAT never ever use present partciple even as a noun.

Again consider the sentence.

"The rebels demanded
raising the rebel flag on
holidays, AND a general
pardon ."

here, raising indicates the structure:

s+main verb+(to+base verb-2nd verb)/v+ing.

So, you should resolve these type of paradox.
Hope, this will help.

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Re: This is a sentence from Manhattan SC guide : The rebels [#permalink] New post 25 Apr 2012, 05:17
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isn't it suppose to be:

The rebels demanded that ... ?


it depends on the sentence structure IMO...

you can say: I demanded that my pay be increased. -->clause follows 'that'
or u could say :i demanded an increase in pay.--> a noun modifier (appositive)which acts as an object for the verb demand.

ie you can demand, require, insist, beg 'a noun'...but not a doer (subject) to do something........

Both are correct i think....but i'll be waiting for an expert opinion....



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Re: This is a sentence from Manhattan SC guide : The rebels [#permalink] New post 22 Aug 2012, 12:26
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In the mentioned question, and in fact always remember: action nouns can only be parallel to either action nouns or complex gerunds. The action nouns are withdrawal, significant reduction, general pardon. To make "raising of the rebel flag" parallel to these nouns, we must make it either an action noun or a complex gerund. Right now I am not getting how to make it an action noun but to make it a complex gerund, just add "the" prior to raising.

To answer the second question that the sentence should be demand that. Always remember that demand that generally follows a clause where as demand generally follows noun phrase. I used "generally" because English is a very funny language.
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Re: Adavance Parallelism - Manhattan SC Guide - MUST DO [#permalink] New post 28 Aug 2012, 12:31
belenkil wrote:
Hey,

isn't it suppose to be:

The rebels demanded that ... ?


Hi,

Lets momentarily keep all grammar @ the backburner : ( For this specific Question )

1. The Rebels DEMANDED............. The withdrawal of Govt forces.

2. The Rebels DEMANDED..............THAT .......The withdrawal of Govt forces

Does option 2 make any sense ? The basic structure falls into an abyss.

In complete agreement with previous posters wrt Demand that concept in general.
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