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10 Sep 2013, 06:50

sandra123 wrote:

Three dice are thrown. What is the probability that the first two show the same number, and the last one a different number?

A. 3/6
B. 15/36
C.1/216
D. 15/216
E. 1/6

So I did 1/6 * 1/6 * 5/6 (first two show the same number, the last one another number) = 5/216. then i multiply by 3 and get 15/216.

whats wrong with what I did?

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To do it this way it would be 1/1 * 1/6 * 5/6 = 5/36. Then multiply by 3 to get 15/36. It is 1/1 because the first die can be any number, not a specific number.

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10 Sep 2013, 18:37

why are you multiplying by 3. It is clearly given that first two must be same and third must be different - i.e clearly XXY

i.e (1,1, 2-6), (2,2, 1-6 without 2) ....(6,6, 1-5) - total 30 favorable outcomes??

When multiplying by 3 arent you considering XYX and YXX also? Can someone explain where i went wrong?

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11 Sep 2013, 00:22

The question talks about the "first two" rolls and the "last" roll, so I don't think that Bunuel's answer is correct. He's solving for the probability that ANY TWO are the same and the other is different.

The correct answer is 1/1 x 1/6 x 5/6 = 5/36

Where did this question come from?

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11 Sep 2013, 00:35

tchang wrote:

The question talks about the "first two" rolls and the "last" roll, so I don't think that Bunuel's answer is correct. He's solving for the probability that ANY TWO are the same and the other is different.

The correct answer is 1/1 x 1/6 x 5/6 = 5/36

Where did this question come from?

t1000

I approached it this way too....what are we doing wrong Bunuel??

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11 Sep 2013, 01:28

ROFLZZZ wrote:

sandra123 wrote:

Three dice are thrown. What is the probability that the first two show the same number, and the last one a different number?

A. 3/6
B. 15/36
C.1/216
D. 15/216
E. 1/6

So I did 1/6 * 1/6 * 5/6 (first two show the same number, the last one another number) = 5/216. then i multiply by 3 and get 15/216.

whats wrong with what I did?

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To do it this way it would be 1/1 * 1/6 * 5/6 = 5/36. Then multiply by 3 to get 15/36. It is 1/1 because the first die can be any number, not a specific number.

ok but still can be any number out of the 6 on the die. it cant be just any number, for eg ten. Also why did you multiply 5/36 with three?
first two had to be the same number, last had to be different.
also, its manhattan

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12 Sep 2013, 00:28

sandra123 wrote:

Three dice are thrown. What is the probability that the first two show the same number, and the last one a different number?

A. 3/6
B. 15/36
C.1/216
D. 15/216
E. 1/6

So I did 1/6 * 1/6 * 5/6 (first two show the same number, the last one another number) = 5/216. then i multiply by 3 and get 15/216.

whats wrong with what I did?

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Total cases = 216.
Favorable cases: 112,121,211....
If you fix one two numbers as above , their can be 15 such cases. You can write it down if needed for clarity and there are 6 numbers. So fav cases= 15x 6 = 90.
probability = 15/36

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12 Sep 2013, 22:05

Bluelagoon,

The question talks about the first two rolls matching and the third doesn't

In your examples:

112 would match

but 121 would be the first and third rolls matching
and 211 would be the second and third rolls matching

The prompt clearly says the first two rolls match and the third doesn't

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Re: Three dice are thrown. What is the probability that the firs [#permalink]

20 Jun 2014, 17:00

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sandra123 wrote:

Three dice are thrown. What is the probability that the first two show the same number, and the last one a different number?

A. 3/6
B. 15/36
C.1/216
D. 15/216
E. 1/6

So I did 1/6 * 1/6 * 5/6 (first two show the same number, the last one another number) = 5/216. then i multiply by 3 and get 15/216.

whats wrong with what I did?

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The question asks about the probability that two of the dice show the same number but the third dice shows a different number.

Total # of outcomes is 6^3;

Favorable outcomes are all possible scenarios of XXY: \(C^1_6*C^1_5*\frac{3!}{2!}=6*5*3=90\), where \(C^1_6\) is # of ways to pick X (the number which shows twice), \(C^1_5\) is # of ways to pick Y (out of 5 numbers left) and \(\frac{3!}{2!}\) is # of permutation of 3 letters XXY out of which 2 X's are identical.

P=Favorable/Total=90/6^3=15/36.

Answer: B.

Or: P(XXY)=1*1/6*5/6*3!/2! --> (any, the same one, different one).

Hope it's clear.

Bunuel it specifically says FIRST two show the same number and LAST one shows different. What you did here would be an answer to 'ANY TWO showing same and the REMAINING showing different'. The questions states the order too by mentioning FIRST/LAST. Please clear me if i'm wrong.

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20 Jun 2014, 19:48

this is clearly a problem where the sequence matters hance the favourable outcomes are 30 for XXY excluding XyX and YXX. But a great problem to sort out basic understanding and generate debate. Kudos

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Bunuel wrote:

sandra123 wrote:

Three dice are thrown. What is the probability that the first two show the same number, and the last one a different number?

A. 3/6
B. 15/36
C.1/216
D. 15/216
E. 1/6

So I did 1/6 * 1/6 * 5/6 (first two show the same number, the last one another number) = 5/216. then i multiply by 3 and get 15/216.

whats wrong with what I did?

OA:

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The question asks about the probability that two of the dice show the same number but the third dice shows a different number.

Total # of outcomes is 6^3;

Favorable outcomes are all possible scenarios of XXY: \(C^1_6*C^1_5*\frac{3!}{2!}=6*5*3=90\), where \(C^1_6\) is # of ways to pick X (the number which shows twice), \(C^1_5\) is # of ways to pick Y (out of 5 numbers left) and \(\frac{3!}{2!}\) is # of permutation of 3 letters XXY out of which 2 X's are identical.

P=Favorable/Total=90/6^3=15/36.

Answer: B.

Or: P(XXY)=1*1/6*5/6*3!/2! --> (any, the same one, different one).

Hope it's clear.

Bunuel it specifically says FIRST two show the same number and LAST one shows different. What you did here would be an answer to 'ANY TWO showing same and the REMAINING showing different'. The questions states the order too by mentioning FIRST/LAST. Please clear me if i'm wrong.

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22 Jun 2014, 01:00

Bear with me till i get my probability concepts clearer,

In this question, i had solved it this way,
1/1 * 1/6 * 5/6 (first two show the same number, the last one another number) = 5/36.

and there is no choice with this answer. any thoughts on how to go ahead in such problems?

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23 Jun 2014, 12:02

I approached this question the same way as many others:

First dice (can be any number) = 6/6
Second dice (must be the same as first dice) = 1/6
Third dice (any number other than the first 2 dice) = 5/6

Therefore the probability is: 6/6 * 1/6 * 5/6 = 30/216 = 5/36

I'm not understanding why this number needs to be multiplied by 3 either.

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23 Jun 2014, 16:39

beef001.both of us are on same page. I donot see need to multiply by 3 either. any experts advice here please.

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24 Jun 2014, 06:09

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beef001 wrote:

I approached this question the same way as many others:

First dice (can be any number) = 6/6
Second dice (must be the same as first dice) = 1/6
Third dice (any number other than the first 2 dice) = 5/6

Therefore the probability is: 6/6 * 1/6 * 5/6 = 30/216 = 5/36

I'm not understanding why this number needs to be multiplied by 3 either.

This is explained in my solution above.

It should be P(XXY)=1*1/6*5/6*3!/2! --> (any, the same one, different one). XXY can occur in three different ways XXY, XYX, or YXX: \(\frac{3!}{2!}=3\) is # of permutation of 3 letters XXY out of which 2 X's are identical.

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24 Jun 2014, 12:06

Another way to look at this question: total # of outcomes are 216 (6^3...6 for each dice)...now consider 6 throws in which you have sequences such as 11(2,3,4,5,6), 22(1,3,4,5,6), ..., 66(1,2,3,4,5)...so these are 6*5=30 outcomes....so your result is 30/216 which is 5/36..now multiple it by 3 for 3 possible sequences on 3 dice for the above 30 outcomes.

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09 Jul 2014, 11:41

Bunuel wrote:

beef001 wrote:

I approached this question the same way as many others:

First dice (can be any number) = 6/6
Second dice (must be the same as first dice) = 1/6
Third dice (any number other than the first 2 dice) = 5/6

Therefore the probability is: 6/6 * 1/6 * 5/6 = 30/216 = 5/36

I'm not understanding why this number needs to be multiplied by 3 either.

This is explained in my solution above.

It should be P(XXY)=1*1/6*5/6*3!/2! --> (any, the same one, different one). XXY can occur in three different ways XXY, XYX, or YXX: \(\frac{3!}{2!}=3\) is # of permutation of 3 letters XXY out of which 2 X's are identical.

Hi Bunuel,

The confusion seems to be stemming from the question text. The question mentions that 'first two' dice should be same and the last dice should be different. So only XXY should be a success and not XYX or YXX..
So should the correct answer be 6x1x5/216 (Any number x same number x remaining numbers)/216 = 5/36?

Please advise.

Thanks!

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15 Jul 2014, 21:26

The question asks about the probability that two of the dice show the same number but the third dice shows a different number.

Total # of outcomes is 6^3;

Favorable outcomes are all possible scenarios of XXY: \(C^1_6*C^1_5*\frac{3!}{2!}=6*5*3=90\), where \(C^1_6\) is # of ways to pick X (the number which shows twice), \(C^1_5\) is # of ways to pick Y (out of 5 numbers left) and \(\frac{3!}{2!}\) is # of permutation of 3 letters XXY out of which 2 X's are identical.

P=Favorable/Total=90/6^3=15/36.

Answer: B.

Or: P(XXY)=1*1/6*5/6*3!/2! --> (any, the same one, different one).

Hope it's clear.[/quote]

Hello Bunuel,

Why are we calculating the permutation of the three letters which have been selected ? Shouldn't it be just 6.5.6 = 180 ?
In case of permutation we are also considering the arrangement XXY, XYX, YXX. However, the question clearly states that the first two need to be identical while the last one is different ?

Any help will be appreciated. Thank you

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16 Jul 2014, 02:37

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parul1591 wrote:

The question asks about the probability that two of the dice show the same number but the third dice shows a different number.

Total # of outcomes is 6^3;

Favorable outcomes are all possible scenarios of XXY: \(C^1_6*C^1_5*\frac{3!}{2!}=6*5*3=90\), where \(C^1_6\) is # of ways to pick X (the number which shows twice), \(C^1_5\) is # of ways to pick Y (out of 5 numbers left) and \(\frac{3!}{2!}\) is # of permutation of 3 letters XXY out of which 2 X's are identical.

P=Favorable/Total=90/6^3=15/36.

Answer: B.

Or: P(XXY)=1*1/6*5/6*3!/2! --> (any, the same one, different one).

Hope it's clear.

Hello Bunuel,

Why are we calculating the permutation of the three letters which have been selected ? Shouldn't it be just 6.5.6 = 180 ?
In case of permutation we are also considering the arrangement XXY, XYX, YXX. However, the question clearly states that the first two need to be identical while the last one is different ?

Any help will be appreciated. Thank you[/quote]

There are no first or second or third die there. Any die can be called first or second when thrown.

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