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I scored 27/30 for the speaking and 29/30 for writing and these videos are highly recommended reference material.
The best way to find mistakes in your speaking is to have a listening partner. However, if you cant find one, my personal tip - just use a tape recorder , tape your speach and play back several times to improve on accent, tone, clarity etc.
Be sure to give a proper and clear conclusion for each speaking question.
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- I like the idea of using templates for both sections of the test, but is it feasible to write the template on the noteboard before the begining of the speaking section? Can I write the templante on the noteboard during the break? Or during another section (reading, for example)?
During the exam you can try to write the templates before the speaking section starts, during the end of the break (but the guy controlling the room may tell you to stop writing) or quickly before each question starts. However, I suggest you to learn it by heart so you fully concentrate in searching ideas to fill the blanks.
If I remember your notes after the listening section are collected. They will give you new paper during the break.
- Do these templates can result in a 29/30 score?
The templates will help you to have a structure for your answer. It will definitely give you points. However, everything will depend on your ability to find ideas during the preparation time for the first questions, and on your ability to remember what you just listened and noted from the questions you listen a dialogue before answering, and how you speak about them.
- I saw somewhere in the forum someone who mentioned a structure from ETS for the first writing exercise. Do you know if it is close to the model you provided?
Not sure what you mean. Anyway I think the writing template fits the actual ETS writing questions.
-Is there a list of examples for the independent writing task (for the gmat the GMAC provide a pdf with a lot of examples).
I came across with this post yesterday and thank god I did since it is very very helpful. It gives you a very good idea of what you should do and what you should aim for. Keeps you focused on the question and that is what matters.
Thanks for that
On the initial post question 5 and 6 of the Speaking section are missing, I have searched on youtube and have found the following links:
Question 5: watch?v=O2dU1JqlWS0
Question 6: watch?v=sf3yr-EoUQI
Resh, may I suggest you add these links to the original post?
note: I am not allowed to post urls for now but if you go to youtube website and copy/paste the terminations I give to your browser should work just fine
Have you applied one to one the recommendations from notefull's YT videos? I mean, in Barrons & Cambridge prep materials there are sometimes totally different tasks, wchih make those structures inapplicable.
Nope, I tried that initially with 2 speaking tests but didn't work out well. What I liked was the approach, points to concentrate on, how to break it down and get the gist of the conversations. Once I understood how it needs to be broken down, it was easy.
Just a suggestion, try not to go through too much material, just concentrate on the Official Guide, that is the only book I referred to. And then I did the Kaplan's 4 tests that come along with the Kaplan book. And to improve on your speaking, redo the the same speaking tests 2-3 times, and you would understand how easy it is the break down the passage and conversations to give a good response. Take notes when while you listen, it really helps. The 2 sections on the speaking were tough for me, because not being a native speaker you cannot be fluent and quickly respond to the topics. On the rest, the content is already there, you just need to present it, which I thought is easier.
And the last part is the essays, read at least 25 sample essays on each section to get an idea of how to present an essay. Good opening, structure, vocabulary, examples and a impressive conclusion will earn you very good points. Don't worry too much about the grammar, your content should be understood when read. (the last one is for non-natives)
I was however a little disappointed with my speaking and writing score, I had expected at least 28 on each. And again, don't let your performance on the Kaplan tests disappoint you, just practice them again and again, you will do very good on the real one.
tell me the question and I provide you what you need to pass the threshold of 100.
Thank you Carcass for your humble gesture. I wanted to know that whether universities look for specific scores in the various sections of the TOEFL. I've got the answer that It depends upon the university , such as a college in NY requires overall TOEFL score of 103 with no section should have less than 24 (R/L/S/W).
I figured this out and found that the colleges i am forwarding my application only looks for the overall score and there are no sectional cut offs, so i am not going to retake the TOEFL.
The answer I'll give is based on what I infer after several months on forum, blog, the same universities requirements and so on.......
It is true that the schools look at the overall score, and in particular some of them care about of the speaking part and writing part of the exam.
Though, I think that GMAT and TOEFL test different things.
For instance: what about if you have a good score on verbal gmat and an average score in the reading part of TOEFL ?? maybe you are good at CR and SC but not in reading \(OR\) RC and SC \(OR\) RC and CR, so the school do not know precisely where is your stand point .....
To make a long story short: for me the 2 exams do not overlap (or at least only in part).
My opinnion: your score is good, in particular if is coupled with a good gmat score but if you have time money (it costs, I know) try to break the 100 score.
here a couple of things that would be helpful
What is useful for the gmat, is useful for toefl. the only different is this: do not bother you to read the passage entirely: the answers follow the conseguence of the text from the first one to the last one. Simply spot the answer choice with the relative paragraph or if the question is : to what IT refers: read only the reference. that's it. I hope is clear
i just gave the toefl today. speaking question 3,4,5 and 6 templates matched perfectly with my exam questions. However, speaking questions 1 and 2 were different. I would suggest that people do not go into the exam room with premeditated answers for questions 1 and 2, because even though the questions were easy, i lost precious second due to the surprise factor.
For writing question 1, the template in the video fits perfectly and is highly recommended. However, for writing question 2, I found the video provided to be of little use. Luckily, I found another great free resource online. I briefly studied from there for about 30-40 mins yesterday and I must say that I am very very happy about the independent essay I was able to write in my exam today.
I just got out from the test center... It is undeniably true that the videos on the speaking questions are excellent to prepare... I expected some more "stupid" topics, yet I received question on subjects that I really am interested in...
speaking went smoothly, though very quickly...since the questions come one after another, without much prep time, it sure adds more stress... Reading and listening - not bad..i had 4 texts. i finished R section with 19+ minutes on the screen. I didn't face any difficult questions, though at some I had to put more thinking...overall, if you are preparing for GMAT, reading section on TOEFL is a piece of cake. Listening - I don't have any problems with it...especially since I live in US... I speak and listen in English every day...so it was ok..i had 2 parts..first one finished with slightly more than 5 minutes, second part with ~6 mins left...
writing - again...gmat prep was beneficial...gmat teaches you how to properly use grammar, so as to communicate the intended meaning without the presence of any ambiguities. i finished my 1st task with ~6 minutes on the screen...though i stared at the monitor, just to gather my thoughts, for about 4 minutes... second essay wasn't bad too...was smth similar to AWA...present arguments in favor of your choice - wrote ~400 words (more than minimum required 300)...i could write more, but i understood that more is sometimes not good... overall - pretty satisfied with my answers...now it's time to wait for results...