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Top 10 B-Schools (New!) [#permalink] New post 23 Apr 2011, 13:14
I created the following site. It shows all the 5 major published MBA rankings as well as an aggregated score (for what it's worth). Hopefully it's a useful and informative site for you!

http://sites.google.com/site/mbaranks/
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Re: Top 10 B-Schools (New!) [#permalink] New post 05 May 2011, 20:07
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Re: Top 10 B-Schools (New!) [#permalink] New post 15 May 2011, 11:37
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I think you should leave out the Economist and Business Week, they are not really credible sources. Their ranking methods seem very odd, and they deviate significantly from the true value of an MBA. For example, starting at the top of the list, BW places Chicago above Harvard and Stanford ???!? And Economist places Darthmouth & Haas above Harvard and Stanford?

You can debate whatever metrics you like, but most people are interested in a ranking which shows the post-graduation opportunities available, and the Economist and BW are wrong almost from top to bottom. I believe these rankings use an "employer feedback" method, which doesn't make sense. For example, I'm sure Deutsche Bank is upset they cannot hire H/S/W grads for their mediocre salary, so probably prefer the Haas/Columbia grads.

I think U.S. News is the only rankings which truely reflects the public perception of the degree, the quality of the admits, and the quality of the post-graduation opportunities.
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Re: Top 10 B-Schools (New!) [#permalink] New post 16 May 2011, 07:02
I think what makes BW so valuable is that it doesn't just look at numbers. All of the top 10-15 schools will have very similar admit profiles. GMATs over 700, GPAs over 3.4, etc. Salary's are going to be influenced by industry/geography, but are again similar across the top 10-15 schools.

BW seems to actually try to rank the program, which is a piece I think lots of applicants miss. Following the '08 financial crisis, I've heard from lots of people in the business world that things are different. Berkeley revamped their curriculum to reflect the post crisis world. Fuqua added a focus on how globally interconnected business is. I think things like this are important. Some schools take Ethics seriously, and others only pay lip service. Business leaders I've spoken with (and maybe this is just an industry thing) don't hold Harvard or Wharton with the same regard they did a few years ago.

If you only look at USNews, I suspect Harvard or Stanford would always be number 1. If they keep admitting the best students and keep their #1 ranking then they will keep having the best applicants to choose from - it becomes self-sustaining and no other school would be able to top them.

And FWIW, P&Q view the BW rankings as the best... This wasn't my chance to take shots at any schools or anything like that. I just think far too many people focus too much on rankings and brand. Too many business school students treat BSchool like a 2 year party where they get a high paying job afterwords.
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Re: Top 10 B-Schools (New!) [#permalink] New post 16 May 2011, 13:59
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I agree with most of what you are saying, but it's not really what most people look for in a "ranking". If you rate undergraduate institutions based on the actual program, you would see schools like Miami U in OH, and William in Mary in VA at the top of the list. HYPMS might not even make the top 10. However, people will kill to get into these 5 schools because they are known to be the most competitive, produce the most job offers, and give you a reputation which gives you an advantage for the rest of your life. Simply put, nobody turns down HYPMS to go to Miami U, even if the program is better.

Similarly, in MBA rankings, people want the most competitive class, the best "seal of approval" on their resume, and the highest ROI on their money AND time. When you consider this, any ranking which doesn't have H/S/W at the top probably doesn't reflect what people are interested in. Furthermore, if you look at applicant profiles from H/S (and even Wharton as well), they are notably different from profiles of other top 10 schools. GMAT doesn't even tell the whole story as these schools are known to reject 800s.
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Re: Top 10 B-Schools (New!) [#permalink] New post 16 May 2011, 19:10
silentfire2100 wrote:
I created the following site. It shows all the 5 major published MBA rankings as well as an aggregated score (for what it's worth). Hopefully it's a useful and informative site for you!

http://sites.google.com/site/mbaranks/


Or you could have used

http://poetsandquants.com/2010/12/14/po ... the-u-s/3/
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Re: Top 10 B-Schools (New!) [#permalink] New post 13 Oct 2011, 20:26
The site has been updated with the new ratings released today from The Economist.
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Re: Top 10 B-Schools (New!) [#permalink] New post 19 Jan 2012, 21:23
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Re: Top 10 B-Schools (New!) [#permalink] New post 25 Jan 2012, 18:14
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I think you should leave out the Economist and Business Week, they are not really credible sources. Their ranking methods seem very odd, and they deviate significantly from the true value of an MBA. For example, starting at the top of the list, BW places Chicago above Harvard and Stanford ???!? And Economist places Darthmouth & Haas above Harvard and Stanford?

You can debate whatever metrics you like, but most people are interested in a ranking which shows the post-graduation opportunities available, and the Economist and BW are wrong almost from top to bottom. I believe these rankings use an "employer feedback" method, which doesn't make sense. For example, I'm sure Deutsche Bank is upset they cannot hire H/S/W grads for their mediocre salary, so probably prefer the Haas/Columbia grads.

I think U.S. News is the only rankings which truely reflects the public perception of the degree, the quality of the admits, and the quality of the post-graduation opportunities.


Right, clearly the only way anyone could be ranked ahead of Harvard or Stanford is if employers game the rankings out of spite. Get a life.

A couple of things:

- Salaries between the schools you named are statistically indistinguishable
- "Employer feedback" is also used by your beloved US News ranking
- The Economist measures things like salary increase and career opportunities, while US News relies on GMAT scores and admissions rates

Literally everything you said is wrong. We are all dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
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Re: Top 10 B-Schools (New!) [#permalink] New post 30 Jan 2012, 19:11
The site has been updated with the latest Financial Times rankings released today.
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Re: Top 10 B-Schools (New!) [#permalink] New post 07 Mar 2012, 16:59
1. What doea anyone think about the IE Business School's Global MBA program and UNC Kenan Flagler BS's MBA@UNC? Both are online programs.

2. Which, IE or UNC Kenan Flagler BS is better?

3. If working in the US for a global organization, who a US or European MBA be better?
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Re: Top 10 B-Schools (New!) [#permalink] New post 13 Mar 2012, 07:58
The site has been updated with the new ratings released today from U.S. News.
Re: Top 10 B-Schools (New!)   [#permalink] 13 Mar 2012, 07:58
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