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TOP 15 Match-Up: Ross vs Darden [#permalink] New post 13 Nov 2007, 19:43
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If anyone here has done significant research into both Ross and Darden, a candid comparison of the two schools would be greatly appreciated.

Both are permanent fixtures in the top 15. Darden makes use of the case method. Ross seems to be rated higher by recruiters and is more selective in admission. Meanwhile, Darden has a higher average starting salary than Ross.

Any major pros/cons for either school?
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Re: TOP 15 Match-Up: Ross vs Darden [#permalink] New post 03 Jan 2008, 13:41
Ross here, although before doing my research I've had a long-time fascination with UVA and Darden (not sure why). Ross just seems to have a better name overall. I also thought that Ross had the higher average starting salary, but I could be mistaken.
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Re: TOP 15 Match-Up: Ross vs Darden [#permalink] New post 03 Jan 2008, 13:45
id vote for ross... michigan does have the largest alumni base in the world
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Re: TOP 15 Match-Up: Ross vs Darden [#permalink] New post 03 Jan 2008, 13:48
I think it depends on what you want to do. If its GM, I would easily say Ross since its regarded as one of hte best GM programs in the elite. Personally I am not a fan of 100% case method teaching but if you are then Darden is great. Weather wise, most people would take UVA of UMich, I like the cold but not sure about being near detriot.

I say Ross but I could understand anyone taking Darden.
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Re: TOP 15 Match-Up: Ross vs Darden [#permalink] New post 03 Jan 2008, 15:08
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Re: TOP 15 Match-Up: Ross vs Darden [#permalink] New post 03 Jan 2008, 16:22
Darden's teaching style is so notably different (matched only by HBS), as is the super prescribed curriculum and the school's academics are universally accepted as among the most demanding of any program.... I can't even begin to compare it to Ross. I'm not saying its better, its just totally different. Apples and Oranges. Either its something you'd love, or probably something you'd hate.
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I guess I have a unique perspective. I'm currently at Darden, of course. While I was at law school at Michigan, I took an entrepreneurship course at Michigan business school that served as the basis for the business that I launched and ran for about 4.5 years. I wouldn't say that I know the MBA experience at Michigan, but I do have some knowledge about it.

From a recruiting standpoint, I think Michigan has the edge in terms of consulting and general management recruiting, but Darden holds the edge in finance. Darden does have a very rigorous program, and sometimes I envy the folks at Michigan, which I believe has one of the more relaxed programs around; but the rigor of the Darden program does seem to generate respect among recruiters. After going through the early part of recruiting, my opinion on this subject is that if a given person is at either of these schools, their recruiting success will extremely similar; it will be more up to the individual than the school. If you're a star, recruiting will be a breeze at either place; if you are a laggard (for whatever reason), one school will not have meaningful advantages over the other.

Both schools have collaborative student bodies, but Darden has a well-deserved reputation for having among the most tightly knit student and alumni groups. Both schools have great extracurricular programs. The Wolverine Venture fund is among the best of its type for VC activities, and Darden Capital Management is among the best for portfolio management / hedge fund activities.

Darden definitely has the edge right now with facilities. The physical building is awesome, and combined with the country-club like surroundings, it's tough to beat. I think Michigan is scheduled to complete their new facility next year, and when it's ready it will surely be one of the very nicest. Virginia has better weather, and let's be frank the metro areas near Ann Arbor (Detroit, Dearborn, etc.) are very bad and getting worse. Michigan has a huge advantage (to me at least) of Wolverine home football games. Michigan has better access to a fairly major airport in Detroit (about 45 min. away). Charlottesville has an airport, but it's small and Dulles is about 1:45 by car.

If I had to make the decision, it would probably come down to many of the factors that people have already mentioned. Weather, extracurricular activities, which metro area I'd rather be near, which students I'm personally more comfortable with, and which teaching and learning style suits me best.

Just a note, Darden had a slip in the rankings about 3-4 years ago when they expanded their class size just as MBA apps hit a low point - the result was poor yield and lower scores; I think something similar happened at Duke at around the same time. From a score and yield perspective, they have largely recovered and have averages on par with other elite schools this past year. I think Michigan is a great schools and deserves its popularity. I believe both schools are solidly elite schools for the foreseeable future (other than Yale they have the biggest endowments of any of the elites).
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Re: TOP 15 Match-Up: Ross vs Darden [#permalink] New post 19 Sep 2008, 00:12
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I guess I have a unique perspective. I'm currently at Darden, of course. While I was at law school at Michigan, I took an entrepreneurship course at Michigan business school that served as the basis for the business that I launched and ran for about 4.5 years. I wouldn't say that I know the MBA experience at Michigan, but I do have some knowledge about it.

From a recruiting standpoint, I think Michigan has the edge in terms of consulting and general management recruiting, but Darden holds the edge in finance. Darden does have a very rigorous program, and sometimes I envy the folks at Michigan, which I believe has one of the more relaxed programs around; but the rigor of the Darden program does seem to generate respect among recruiters. After going through the early part of recruiting, my opinion on this subject is that if a given person is at either of these schools, their recruiting success will extremely similar; it will be more up to the individual than the school. If you're a star, recruiting will be a breeze at either place; if you are a laggard (for whatever reason), one school will not have meaningful advantages over the other.

Both schools have collaborative student bodies, but Darden has a well-deserved reputation for having among the most tightly knit student and alumni groups. Both schools have great extracurricular programs. The Wolverine Venture fund is among the best of its type for VC activities, and Darden Capital Management is among the best for portfolio management / hedge fund activities.

Darden definitely has the edge right now with facilities. The physical building is awesome, and combined with the country-club like surroundings, it's tough to beat. I think Michigan is scheduled to complete their new facility next year, and when it's ready it will surely be one of the very nicest. Virginia has better weather, and let's be frank the metro areas near Ann Arbor (Detroit, Dearborn, etc.) are very bad and getting worse. Michigan has a huge advantage (to me at least) of Wolverine home football games. Michigan has better access to a fairly major airport in Detroit (about 45 min. away). Charlottesville has an airport, but it's small and Dulles is about 1:45 by car.

If I had to make the decision, it would probably come down to many of the factors that people have already mentioned. Weather, extracurricular activities, which metro area I'd rather be near, which students I'm personally more comfortable with, and which teaching and learning style suits me best.

Just a note, Darden had a slip in the rankings about 3-4 years ago when they expanded their class size just as MBA apps hit a low point - the result was poor yield and lower scores; I think something similar happened at Duke at around the same time. From a score and yield perspective, they have largely recovered and have averages on par with other elite schools this past year. I think Michigan is a great schools and deserves its popularity. I believe both schools are solidly elite schools for the foreseeable future (other than Yale they have the biggest endowments of any of the elites).


Wow ! Great ! Thanks for patiently keying in all this ... +1

What is the class student mix like at Darden? How many internationals ? and also avg. age :)

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Re: TOP 15 Match-Up: Ross vs Darden [#permalink] New post 19 Sep 2008, 03:51
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Wow ! Great ! Thanks for patiently keying in all this ... +1

What is the class student mix like at Darden? How many internationals ? and also avg. age :)

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28 years is avg age
about 28% international

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Re: TOP 15 Match-Up: Ross vs Darden [#permalink] New post 19 Sep 2008, 06:02
I have researched both Ross & Darden extensively. I like Ross better, but Darden is a great place too. Ross and Darden are my No.1 and No.2 choices respectively.
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Re: TOP 15 Match-Up: Ross vs Darden [#permalink] New post 21 Sep 2008, 11:39
Just wanted to say that I think it's great that everyone can have a discussion on this without resorting to denigrating a particular school. It really shows the high maturity level on this forum.
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Re: TOP 15 Match-Up: Ross vs Darden [#permalink] New post 16 Jul 2009, 06:07
This is great info, I'm considering both Darden and Ross for this fall.

I'm looking into going into consulting. I love the case study reputation of darden and the great consulting placement of Ross.

Has ross sunk in the rankings at all due to Detroit really hurting?
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Re: TOP 15 Match-Up: Ross vs Darden [#permalink] New post 16 Jul 2009, 10:51
From the research I have conducted, I didn't see much of a link between Ross and Detroit. Their placement reports indicate large amounts in Chicago (and surprisingly SF). Maybe current students can provide more anecdotal advice though.
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Re: TOP 15 Match-Up: Ross vs Darden [#permalink] New post 13 Oct 2009, 20:56
i'm a michigan engineering alum (not b-school) and i think that the fall of detroit will probably have a bigger effect on the engineering school than ross.

as for where the alumni are, there are tons of wolverines in chicago (obviously), new york, and san francisco (where i currently live).
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Re: TOP 15 Match-Up: Ross vs Darden [#permalink] New post 26 Sep 2010, 10:19
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pelihu wrote:
I guess I have a unique perspective. I'm currently at Darden, of course. While I was at law school at Michigan, I took an entrepreneurship course at Michigan business school that served as the basis for the business that I launched and ran for about 4.5 years. I wouldn't say that I know the MBA experience at Michigan, but I do have some knowledge about it.

From a recruiting standpoint, I think Michigan has the edge in terms of consulting and general management recruiting, but Darden holds the edge in finance. Darden does have a very rigorous program, and sometimes I envy the folks at Michigan, which I believe has one of the more relaxed programs around; but the rigor of the Darden program does seem to generate respect among recruiters. After going through the early part of recruiting, my opinion on this subject is that if a given person is at either of these schools, their recruiting success will extremely similar; it will be more up to the individual than the school. If you're a star, recruiting will be a breeze at either place; if you are a laggard (for whatever reason), one school will not have meaningful advantages over the other.

Both schools have collaborative student bodies, but Darden has a well-deserved reputation for having among the most tightly knit student and alumni groups. Both schools have great extracurricular programs. The Wolverine Venture fund is among the best of its type for VC activities, and Darden Capital Management is among the best for portfolio management / hedge fund activities.

Darden definitely has the edge right now with facilities. The physical building is awesome, and combined with the country-club like surroundings, it's tough to beat. I think Michigan is scheduled to complete their new facility next year, and when it's ready it will surely be one of the very nicest. Virginia has better weather, and let's be frank the metro areas near Ann Arbor (Detroit, Dearborn, etc.) are very bad and getting worse. Michigan has a huge advantage (to me at least) of Wolverine home football games. Michigan has better access to a fairly major airport in Detroit (about 45 min. away). Charlottesville has an airport, but it's small and Dulles is about 1:45 by car.

If I had to make the decision, it would probably come down to many of the factors that people have already mentioned. Weather, extracurricular activities, which metro area I'd rather be near, which students I'm personally more comfortable with, and which teaching and learning style suits me best.

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Thanks a lot for such a good post. I m considering both schools this yr...and this was really helpful...
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Re: TOP 15 Match-Up: Ross vs Darden [#permalink] New post 22 Nov 2010, 12:44
What is your suggestion if you want to go in for a PHD program in Business in either of the schools...Any idea?
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