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Transferring into JD/MBA programs as a 1L [#permalink] New post 23 Jan 2010, 00:35
I applied this cycle to the top 20 LS (in at 13-20) and am planning on pursuing a JD/MBA (haven't applied to any joint or MBA programs). I'm not expecting to get in anywhere else based on my #'s and I'm happy to attend a 13-20 from the LS perspective. From the BS perspective, I think it's worthwhile to make a play for HBS or SBS if possible. Given my circumstances, I have two questions:

1. How does transferring into JD/MBA programs work? Is it possible? If I'm a Cornell 1L, is it theoretically possible to transfer to HLS/HBS joint program?

2. Is it possible to apply to an MBA program during 1L other than at that 1L school's BS and get a JD/MBA in 4 years? For example, UCLA L1 applies to SBS and gets a UCLA JD/SBS MBA in 4 years?

Any insight is much appreciated.
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Re: Transferring into JD/MBA programs as a 1L [#permalink] New post 23 Jan 2010, 12:19
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Alright, so I'm a JD, who is now pursuing an MBA-I commend you for your ambition but I have to tell you that transferring law schools is really, really, really difficult. I went to a top 25 and ony 3 kids made the switch-my ex-bf switched to UCLA, 1 kid switched to Northwestern and 1 kid switched to UChicago. Law schools grade on a curve, so you had better ensure that you end up with a summa gpa/top 5 rank at the end of 1L to be able to do it because the institution that you're admitted to has no incentive to let go of your tuition. It's not at all like transferring undergrad, if that's the experience you're going on.

Have no idea about switching from a simple law degree to a dual degree program. I only applied to b-schools with law schools (Sloan being the exception) because I want to get a couple of law classes I missed out on last time on my transcript. They all had dual degree programs/webpages and each one said that you had to have taken the seperate admissions tests and apply to both schools concurrently and be admitted to both to be in the JD/MBA program etc. etc.. However, I hear that a couple of schools are trying new compressed JD/MBA schedules and obviously I have no interest in a dual degree so I haven't been keeping up on the news for it. My gut feeling is that if you really want to do a JD/MBA, it might be worth applying to a program you want to go to rather than trying to switch in-because as I said, transferring law schools is extremely difficult.
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Re: Transferring into JD/MBA programs as a 1L [#permalink] New post 26 Jan 2010, 19:21
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I'm currently a 1L at a T10 law school, and I can tell you that the answers to your questions are going to vary on where you attend.

The other poster is right - transferring law schools is VERY difficult. At that point, the schools could care less about your LSAT score and are looking at your first-year grades and where you stand in the class. Sadly, once you are in law school grades incredibly competitive and almost all schools place 1Ls on a harsh curve against classmates. Take a look at the class medians posted on school websites. Yes, it would be theoretically possible to transfer in to another law school and be accepted in to their business school as well. But why wouldn't you be applying to those schools in the first place? The notion that you can get in to a higher ranked law school after your first-year is a very misplaced idea. You may want to do a bit more research in to the stats on this - although possible, it's not an easy task.

I'm not sure why you wouldn't want to complete the JD/MBA at the same school but the policy on this is probably going to depend on the separate law and business schools. Even if they allowed it, two of the biggest obstacles you'd probably encounter are 1) time and 2) money. It would be incredibly difficult to attend two full time programs at different universities, as neither would likely be sensitive to the fact that you are also a FT student at another school. Remember that most law schools and business schools have mandatory first-year classes with fixed schedules (ie: you get what classes you get). You would be attending at least 12 hours at one school, 12 hours at another, plus studying for both sets of full-time classes. You would also be paying full-time tuition at two different schools. Not sure if you are planning on taking out any loans, but I imagine this could get pretty sticky - especially when it comes to exhausting all federal loan resources, and if lenders would even allow you to apply their loans to separate programs.

My advice would be to pick one school you like that offers a JD/MBA program. In any case, good luck!
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Re: Transferring into JD/MBA programs as a 1L [#permalink] New post 26 Jan 2010, 19:27
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i would honestly only pick one in your case. Companies are going to be wary of your JD because they will think you want to be an attorney. Law firms will view an MBA as a waste of time.
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Re: Transferring into JD/MBA programs as a 1L [#permalink] New post 27 Jan 2010, 11:37
Thanks for the input. I'm planning on taking the GMAT in late March so it will be too late to apply to any of the joint programs. I'm considering applying to SBS, HBS and potentially Columbia if I score over a 700. If I get in and attend one of these MBA programs, what is the likelihood of being admitted to the law school as a first year MBA assuming said law school rejects me this cycle?
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Re: Transferring into JD/MBA programs as a 1L [#permalink] New post 28 Jan 2010, 14:19
mbajd wrote:
Thanks for the input. I'm planning on taking the GMAT in late March so it will be too late to apply to any of the joint programs. I'm considering applying to SBS, HBS and potentially Columbia if I score over a 700. If I get in and attend one of these MBA programs, what is the likelihood of being admitted to the law school as a first year MBA assuming said law school rejects me this cycle?


Without knowing your stats (LSAT, GPA, etc), it's impossible to say if you would be accepted in to one of those law schools. Those are top law schools that are extremely competitive to get in to - even candidates with extremely high LSAT/GPAs are regularly rejected. If you have been previously dinged, something would need to change in your application for those schools to accept you...
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Re: Transferring into JD/MBA programs as a 1L [#permalink] New post 31 Jan 2010, 19:59
170, 3.65 and assume I get rejected this cycle.
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Re: Transferring into JD/MBA programs as a 1L [#permalink] New post 31 Jan 2010, 20:54
This is a fairly unique situation. Have you considered talking to an admissions consultant?
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Re: Transferring into JD/MBA programs as a 1L [#permalink] New post 31 Jan 2010, 21:12
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170, 3.65 and assume I get rejected this cycle.


Your GPA is low for Harvard and Stanford. Your LSAT is also on the low side for Harvard and Columbia. Those are reach schools, but you never know (especially if you have something that will really add to your application... like if you are minority). A 170 is a great score, but you may want to consider retaking if you are set on attending one of those three schools and aren't accepted this cycle. I found lawschoolnumbers and top-law-schools (websites) to be helpful during the application cycle. Good luck.
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Re: Transferring into JD/MBA programs as a 1L [#permalink] New post 31 Jan 2010, 21:39
You cannot predict MBA admissions based on GPA and GMAT scores alone. B-schools like to look at the full profile of students. There are many unpredictable factors that determine who gets into a B-school and who doesn't.

My view is that if you are already in the law school of a university, and apply to the university's B-school, they are more likely to select you over similarly qualified applicants, because you are already a student of the university.
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Re: Transferring into JD/MBA programs as a 1L [#permalink] New post 31 Jan 2010, 22:28
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1) Personally I think your GPA/LSAT qualify you for all programs from 1-14 but keep in mind the Top 14 (in law it's the Top 14, btw) see plenty of kids with your scores. That said, law schools rely much more heavily on LSAT + GPA and are more open to people on the K-JD program. However, they are trying to move away from that model, so the less WE you have, the better your scores will have to be. I was 23 when I went to LS and I can say that nearly everyone who was on the younger side of proto-piranha had some sort of orphan deworming/lemur protection society/non-profit making handknit hats for disabled kittens type background (I worked for the Dems during the disastrous 2000 elections). Originally I thought I was going to be the only one who had committed to a year worth of public servic but I had classmates who had been in Afghanistan, teaching in inner-city classrooms...pretty much all forms of humanitarian work. If you're on the junior side, I'd set to do-gooding if you want to be able to compete with all the other Harvard-law bound 175/3.95 kids who spent the summer parked on the hillsides of Mt. Everest handing out Gatorade to overburdened sherpas. I mean, I'm joshing here but you do kind of have to prove to LS why you want to go there-I liken LS to the military of professional schools-people think they want to go there because they don't know what else to do with their lives and LS are very sensitive to that. Oftentimes the right amount of slaving for low wages actually puts you in a position where you can see how deeply the law can affect people/causes (and can help develop the right frame of mind to be able to explain "why LS"). All I'm saying is, paralegaling for a firm is not going to cut it for Harvard/Columbia etc. unless you have a really compelling story beyond "scores". Non-profitesque work seems to be the biggest story but I also met a lof entreprenurs, theatre kids (the dramaturg ended up winning moot court), engineers, minor sports stars etc. If you want to go to HLS/Columbia etc., you either need a 180/4.0 or r. scores + interesting essay.

2) Business schools, however, require significantly more work experience than law schools and I've noticed that the pursuit of filthy lucre is okay with them. That said, if you have less than 4-5 years WE, then I think score-wise, you probably stand a better chance of getting into LS and then applying for the b-school wherever you end up.

3) I'm just going to go ahead and say that a non-Harvard/Stanford/Wharton law school will never ever let you just gad off to H/S/W to do the MBA in conjunction with their law degree unless those schools have a special agreement with another university the way MIT lets you do an MPA (or whatever) at the Kennedy School or you work out some sort of special deal with them. As I said, you should get into a LS where you also like the business school. With your scores, I would also seriously consider Northwestern. It's a Top 14 with a highly ranked b-school. Other programs you might be interested in would include Michigan (though keep in mind that their law school is bloody incredible and you're going to need a good story apart from your scores), UCLA, NYU, Duke and Cornell. Probably the crazy top LS programs with good B-schools would be H/S/W of course, but also UChicago and Columbia. I would consider these "reach" because both the JD and MBA programs are extremely tough to get into.

4) You should have a really good reason for wanting both these degrees. First because you don't want to look like a degree collector and second because I can attest to law school being extremey rigourous. I mean, now I look back on it with sort of these hazy, fond memories but if I dig under the complacency I remembe how awful it was at times. First, unlike b-school,they don't have grade collusion and as I mentioned in my first post, they can have BRUTAL curves. I went to a B/B- curve school. The assumption is that the lower you get in the ratings that the worse the curve is-and to some extent, that's true as the Tier 2 schools and below really don't want you switching out. That said, UChicago and Georgetown are both highly ranked and it seems like everyone I know from there complains about the brutal grading. OCI is very difficult unless you beat the curve in the majority of your classes because you have to declare grades.

Good luck. My perspective from the lawyer-transitioning-to-finance path is to put your eggs in the MBA basket unless you a) really want to practice law or b) and if you want to practice law, just get the law degree. Put some research into the practice-I know a lot of miserable lawyers who thought the practice of law was going to be lot different. Most of the value in my law degree and experience in terms of business is the 5 years that I've practiced.

My knee-jerk reaction is that I can see why someone would want the law degree after working for a while with an MBA, or I can see why an attorney would want an MBA but I don't necessarily get why someone would want to do both at once and I think the chances of getting into any JD/MBA program (if you make the baseline scores) hinge on having a really really good answer for that.
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Re: Transferring into JD/MBA programs as a 1L [#permalink] New post 31 Jan 2010, 23:17
Nice post mufee.

Advanced apologies for asking my own question here, but does work experience have significant weight in LS admissions process?

I'm considering law schools along with B-schools, because I work in distressed debt environment, and a lot of my seniors actually have JD/MBAs or JDs. So, while I'm not concerned about my reason to pursue LS, my 3.55 GPA isn't all that stellar for a T-14 law school.

Also, how do law schools compare GPAs from different undergrad schools? There are significant grading differences across schools/majors so I'm not sure how can two GPAs be compared.
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Re: Transferring into JD/MBA programs as a 1L [#permalink] New post 01 Feb 2010, 08:39
levfin: yes, I think they absolutely do count work experience/essays/recommendations but my impression from going through both processes is that b-schools are more generous in this regard. Law schools place a heavy emphasis on some formula they came up with using GPA + LSAT. However, I actually think your GPA is fine for most of the schools in the Top 14 outside of H/S/Y/C etc., if you had a really awesome GMAT score + discussed your work experience well and connected it to your goals. I have no idea where you went but I think even law schools understand that you aren't going to be pulling a 3.8 at UChicago or MIT or other schools that grade low.

Let me just put it this way-they're going to be seeing a bunch of young 20-somethings so if you have 2+ years of work experience, it's points in your favour.

Also, can I just say this? I know it's $200 or whatever for the apps but seriously, just try and don't let obsession with scores hold you back if you can make an impassioned plea for why you want to go there! I was so nervous about my bad undergrad GPA that I only applied to schools from 25-50. I'm perfectly happy with my law school, it's one of those Big 10 schools that's always ranked somewhere in the Top 25 but occasionally gets hit with a 27 or whatever-but I got into a school that has an average 3.7 GPA with a 3.09 (had a high LSAT however). A few years later a friend of mine applied to Northwestern with practically the same story and got in.

I am sure that people have awesome reasons why they might want an MD/JD, MD/MBA, JD/MBA at the same time. Just remember that you have to answer the "why" because these are all difficult programs and the first impression will be that you are a degree collector.
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Re: Transferring into JD/MBA programs as a 1L [#permalink] New post 08 Feb 2010, 15:37
I have a similar question, but did not want to start a new thread to ask it so I figured this would be a good place. I've been accepted to both the JD and MBA programs of a school ranked in the 15-25 range in both. I'm trying to gage the possibility of transferring up after the first year, but am obviously worried about my chances of getting into the MBA portion of whatever school I want to transfer to (Duke, Northwestern, Penn) regardless of my performance in first year law.

Does anyone know how that would work? Would my performance in law school, if among the top of my class, improve my chances of being accepted by a top tier business school?
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Re: Transferring into JD/MBA programs as a 1L [#permalink] New post 09 Feb 2010, 11:30
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I have a similar question, but did not want to start a new thread to ask it so I figured this would be a good place. I've been accepted to both the JD and MBA programs of a school ranked in the 15-25 range in both. I'm trying to gage the possibility of transferring up after the first year, but am obviously worried about my chances of getting into the MBA portion of whatever school I want to transfer to (Duke, Northwestern, Penn) regardless of my performance in first year law.

Does anyone know how that would work? Would my performance in law school, if among the top of my class, improve my chances of being accepted by a top tier business school?


As someone with admits to UVA, UCLA, Michigan, and GULC, I am strongly considering the JD/MBA (also considering just the MBA as 3 years at law school in this corporate law environment scares me).

I know that transferring into a T14 from a T25 requires a pretty solid 1L year. Into a T14 from a lower tier 1 or a "good" tier 2 requires a stellar 1L year. From a TTT into a T14, you'd need to crush it (top in your 1L class-level).

Since most MBA programs start in the 2L year, you'd just be applying to the law school as a transfer and then to the MBA program as any other student.
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Re: Transferring into JD/MBA programs as a 1L [#permalink] New post 09 Feb 2010, 11:40
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I have a similar question, but did not want to start a new thread to ask it so I figured this would be a good place. I've been accepted to both the JD and MBA programs of a school ranked in the 15-25 range in both. I'm trying to gage the possibility of transferring up after the first year, but am obviously worried about my chances of getting into the MBA portion of whatever school I want to transfer to (Duke, Northwestern, Penn) regardless of my performance in first year law.

Does anyone know how that would work? Would my performance in law school, if among the top of my class, improve my chances of being accepted by a top tier business school?


As someone with admits to UVA, UCLA, Michigan, and GULC, I am strongly considering the JD/MBA (also considering just the MBA as 3 years at law school in this corporate law environment scares me).

I know that transferring into a T14 from a T25 requires a pretty solid 1L year. Into a T14 from a lower tier 1 or a "good" tier 2 requires a stellar 1L year. From a TTT into a T14, you'd need to crush it (top in your 1L class-level).

Since most MBA programs start in the 2L year, you'd just be applying to the law school as a transfer and then to the MBA program as any other student.


Right, but my question from there would be: How is your first year of law school viewed by MBA programs? If you excel in law school, does that enhance your chance of being admitted to business school (elsewhere) or will they simply look at your work experience and GMAT score before law school?
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Re: Transferring into JD/MBA programs as a 1L [#permalink] New post 09 Feb 2010, 12:37
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gags12 wrote:
I have a similar question, but did not want to start a new thread to ask it so I figured this would be a good place. I've been accepted to both the JD and MBA programs of a school ranked in the 15-25 range in both. I'm trying to gage the possibility of transferring up after the first year, but am obviously worried about my chances of getting into the MBA portion of whatever school I want to transfer to (Duke, Northwestern, Penn) regardless of my performance in first year law.

Does anyone know how that would work? Would my performance in law school, if among the top of my class, improve my chances of being accepted by a top tier business school?


As someone with admits to UVA, UCLA, Michigan, and GULC, I am strongly considering the JD/MBA (also considering just the MBA as 3 years at law school in this corporate law environment scares me).

I know that transferring into a T14 from a T25 requires a pretty solid 1L year. Into a T14 from a lower tier 1 or a "good" tier 2 requires a stellar 1L year. From a TTT into a T14, you'd need to crush it (top in your 1L class-level).

Since most MBA programs start in the 2L year, you'd just be applying to the law school as a transfer and then to the MBA program as any other student.


Right, but my question from there would be: How is your first year of law school viewed by MBA programs? If you excel in law school, does that enhance your chance of being admitted to business school (elsewhere) or will they simply look at your work experience and GMAT score before law school?


I doubt it. I mean it shows you can excel in an academic environment, so that's something. But I doubt it'd be viewed differently than doing well in a master's of history program and then applying for an MBA.
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Re: Transferring into JD/MBA programs as a 1L [#permalink] New post 10 May 2010, 13:32
Make up your mind what you want to do. I didn't know what I wanted after an Ivy B.s. in applied mathematics, so I went to a T10 law school. Boy, I hated every person there. Now, I've been practicing for over a year. All I can say is I hate everyone in the legal profession. I now realize that I am actually cut out for finance. I think JD/MBA is a complete waste. If you want to be a lawyer, just go for a JD, and vice versa for MBA. For now, if you are not sure what you really want to do, work for a couple of years and then decide. Rushing into a JD is the worst decision I've ever made, no matter if it's a T20 or T10 school.
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