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Sharing some SCs from a recent mock test (thought that u may or may not get the same q when you take the same mock and that it'd be a good practice for all... ). Please post some explanation with the answers.
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Re: Tricky SC Series- #11 [#permalink] New post 01 Nov 2009, 12:25
B. "spoke to" is better than "spoke with".
Both acts should be in past tense as both happened at the same time.
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Re: Tricky SC Series- #11 [#permalink] New post 02 Nov 2009, 21:39
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B. "spoke to" is better than "spoke with".
Both acts should be in past tense as both happened at the same time.


correct answer! For reasons you already explained :)
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Re: Tricky SC Series- #11 [#permalink] New post 03 Nov 2009, 00:24
Just a doubt, I thought 'spoke with' and 'talk to' are correct idioms .

Is is not always the case ?
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Re: Tricky SC Series- #11 [#permalink] New post 03 Nov 2009, 07:28
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Just a doubt, I thought 'spoke with' and 'talk to' are correct idioms .

Is is not always the case ?



'Spoke with' means have a conversation. 'Spoke to' means the other party is just listening (no two way conversation) and it is also used in american english to mean an unfriendly conversation. Both are correct idioms.

But since the context here is unfriendly conversation (heated discussion), 'spoke to' is more appropriate.
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Re: Tricky SC Series- #11 [#permalink] New post 06 May 2010, 04:48
thanks for the question and great explanation
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Re: Tricky SC Series- #11 [#permalink] New post 13 May 2010, 20:08
Hi,

I need to clarify this doubt.
Spoke to - Jagger spoke to Rema Nagarajan about the rights of indigenous people and the need for inclusive development.

Here, Rema Nagarajan is a news reporter. See the link:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Home ... 926954.cms

So, which is correct usage. Please comment.

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Just a doubt, I thought 'spoke with' and 'talk to' are correct idioms .

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'Spoke with' means have a conversation. 'Spoke to' means the other party is just listening (no two way conversation) and it is also used in american english to mean an unfriendly conversation. Both are correct idioms.

But since the context here is unfriendly conversation (heated discussion), 'spoke to' is more appropriate.

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Re: Tricky SC Series- #11 [#permalink] New post 15 May 2010, 03:22
btw
sometimes it is hard to determine wjether the conversation was mutual.
for example in this sentence is mentioned that the dicsuccion was difficult - so at least they talked to each other.
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Re: Tricky SC Series- #11 [#permalink] New post 15 May 2010, 13:45
easy one ,
spoke to here in the question fits better hence it must be B
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Re: Tricky SC Series- #11 [#permalink] New post 20 May 2010, 22:55
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Another point:
1. ...spoke to the distributors about the late shipment... - Correct style
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Re: Tricky SC Series- #11 [#permalink] New post 03 Jun 2010, 22:02
I guess this question depends purely on identifying the correct use of the word spoke to or spoke with.

Very tough GMAT question.
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Re: Tricky SC Series- #11 [#permalink] New post 03 Jun 2010, 23:01
B

Spoke to is better than spoke with , " after a len..." clearly articulates the happening of the events.
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Re: Tricky SC Series- #11 [#permalink] New post 04 Jun 2010, 23:36
You dont need "had spoken". There is "after" in the second part which sequences the events

t1 : manager spoke
t2 : freight fee was reduced after a lengthy discussion

t1 happened before t2 on the time line.

simple past tense will do.

spoke to > spoke with

Hence B.
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Re: Tricky SC Series- #11 [#permalink] New post 13 Jun 2010, 12:29
Can someone explain why C is wrong?

Manager had spoken about the late shipment ==> 1st action

Freight fee was subsequently reduced ==> 2nd action

There are 2 actions involved....one occured first and then the second occured.....then why C is wrong.
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Re: Tricky SC Series- #11 [#permalink] New post 13 Jun 2010, 13:13
The after clause sequences the two events in the past. Hence you don't need past perfect.

after a heated discussion (A) , the freight fee was subsequently reduced.(B)

action A happened before B.

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Re: Tricky SC Series- #11 [#permalink] New post 13 Jun 2010, 13:55
Does this mean that if we have "after" in a sentence and the sequence of events is defined by "after" we dont need to use past perfect?
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Re: Tricky SC Series- #11 [#permalink] New post 13 Jun 2010, 20:01
Good question. I need a second opinion here. Probably a gmat instructor can answer this question.

We know the purpose of past perfect is to sequence two past events on the time line.

There is an exception to this - "when" clauses. Please refer to Sahil's notes.
When clauses are very important, because they happen first when both clauses are in simple past tense.
E.g Imp: When I paid her one-dollar (1) , she answered my question. (2)
event (1) happened before event (2)

I think same applies to "after clauses". Let me ping some instructor.

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Ya you are right. even if you go by MG MAT SC it says that if the order of events are clear without use of Past perfect (like by when, after, later etc) then its OK to use simple past and skip away with PP. However one cannot elliminate an option based on only this. A sentence with PP and also with 'after' can be a right option if no other option is shorter and more concise and ya grammatically correct.
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Hi again,

So a note on tenses....

To figure out the tense you need, you must look for the time modifier for the given verb, i.e., a description of when that action takes place. Any time modifier that indicates a specific point in time in the past indicates the past simple.

Thus words like in, on, at, ago, last, and when, since they point to specific points, indicate the past simple.

Ex. I studied dance when I was 5.

The past perfect is used not just to indicate that one action happened before another, but to indicate that one action happened in the deep past relative to a point in time in the past.

Ex. I had studied dance for many years before deciding to become a basketball player.
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Re: Tricky SC Series- #11 [#permalink] New post 19 Jun 2010, 04:13
And why "about" in B is better than "regarding" in D?
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