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Two musicians, Maria and Perry, work at independent constant rates to tune a warehouse full of instruments. If both musicians start at the same time and work at their normal rates, they will complete the job in 45 minutes. However, if Perry were to work at twice Maria’s rate, they would take only 20 minutes. How long would it take Perry, working alone at his normal rate, to tune the warehouse full of instruments?

A. 1 hr 20 min
B. 1 hr 45 min
C. 2 hr
D. 2 hr 20 min
E. 3 hr
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$$rate*time=work$$

Working together :
$$(P+M)*\frac{3}{4}=1$$
If P=2M:
$$(2M+M)*\frac{1}{3}=1$$ from this we get $$M=1$$.

We plug M=1 in the above equation:

$$\frac{3}{4}P+\frac{3}{4}=1$$ or $$\frac{3}{4}P=\frac{1}{4}$$ $$P=\frac{1}{3}$$.

So it would take 3 hours to complete the job, $$\frac{1}{3}*3h=1job$$
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Rock750 wrote:
Two musicians, Maria and Perry, work at independent constant rates to tune a warehouse full of instruments. If both musicians start at the same time and work at their normal rates, they will complete the job in 45 minutes. However, if Perry were to work at twice Maria’s rate, they would take only 20 minutes. How long would it take Perry, working alone at his normal rate, to tune the warehouse full of instruments?

A. 1 hr 20 min
B. 1 hr 45 min
C. 2 hr
D. 2 hr 20 min
E. 3 hr

Let the whole work be 180 units.

In this case combined rate of Maria and Perry is 180/45=4 units per minute --> M+P=4, where M and P are individual rates of Maria and Perry.

If Perry were to work at twice Maria’s rate, they would take only 20 minutes --> in this case combined rate of Maria and Perry is 180/20=9 units per minute --> M+2M=9 --> M=3 units per minute.

M+P=4 --> 3+P=4 --> P=1 unit per minute.

Time to do 180 units = (job)/(rate) = 180/1 =180 minutes = 3 hours.

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Two musicians, Maria and Perry, work at independent constant rates to tune a warehouse full of instruments. If both musicians start at the same time and work at their normal rates, they will complete the job in 45 minutes. However, if Perry were to work at twice Maria’s rate, they would take only 20 minutes. How long would it take Perry, working alone at his normal rate, to tune the warehouse full of instruments?

A. 1 hr 20 min
B. 1 hr 45 min
C. 2 hr
D. 2 hr 20 min
E. 3 hr

Sol:

Lets Perry Rate be P and Rate of Maria be M
(rate)*(time)= Work or rate = work/time

first equation=> P+M = 1/45
converting it to hrs P+M= 1/(45/60) => 1/(3/4) =>4/3

second equation => M+2M =>1/20
converting it to hrs 3M=1/(20/60) =>1/(1/3) =>3

therefore M= 1 and P=1/3

Rate of Perry = 1/3
time= work/rate (work = 1 job)
Time= 3 hrs
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08 Sep 2013, 16:55
Hi all

Can't this question be solved with the Work Formula?

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21 Jan 2014, 00:48
Hi Bunuel,

I cant seem to understand what I am doing wrong by solving it like this.. please guide me ..

given: let call maria =m perry = p
working together we have $$\frac{1}{m} + \frac{1}{p} = \frac{1}{45}$$ ----------eq 1.

now if perry works twice at maria's rate we get .... $$\frac{1}{m} + \frac{1}{2m} = \frac{1}{20}$$
solving this we get... M = 30

now substituting it in the first eq 1.
$$\frac{1}{30} + \frac{1}{p} = \frac{1}{45}$$

obviously since I am solving inccorectly i get a negative value .. I understand the simple methods give in the above discussions .. i get it .. but what em i doing wrong.. i need to rectify my thought process otherwise I will keep approaching such problems in a similar fashion even in the future..

so comment will be greatly appreciated Bunuel .. Thanks a ton!
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Hi Bunuel,

I cant seem to understand what I am doing wrong by solving it like this.. please guide me ..

given: let call maria =m perry = p
working together we have $$\frac{1}{m} + \frac{1}{p} = \frac{1}{45}$$ ----------eq 1.

now if perry works twice at maria's rate we get .... $$\frac{1}{m} + \frac{1}{2m} = \frac{1}{20}$$
solving this we get... M = 30

now substituting it in the first eq 1.
$$\frac{1}{30} + \frac{1}{p} = \frac{1}{45}$$

obviously since I am solving inccorectly i get a negative value .. I understand the simple methods give in the above discussions .. i get it .. but what em i doing wrong.. i need to rectify my thought process otherwise I will keep approaching such problems in a similar fashion even in the future..

so comment will be greatly appreciated Bunuel .. Thanks a ton!

In your solution m and p are individual times, while 1/m and 1/p are respective rates. If Perry were to work at twice Maria’s rate, then his rate would be 2*(1/m), not 1/(2m). Therefore the correct equations are 1/m+1/p=1/45 and 1/m+2/m=1/20
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21 Jan 2014, 06:23
how dumb of me... ... Thank you so much Bunuel! .. I get it now... :D
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04 Feb 2014, 04:49
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rawjetraw wrote:
Hi Bunuel,

I cant seem to understand what I am doing wrong by solving it like this.. please guide me ..

given: let call maria =m perry = p
working together we have $$\frac{1}{m} + \frac{1}{p} = \frac{1}{45}$$ ----------eq 1.

now if perry works twice at maria's rate we get .... $$\frac{1}{m} + \frac{1}{2m} = \frac{1}{20}$$
solving this we get... M = 30

now substituting it in the first eq 1.
$$\frac{1}{30} + \frac{1}{p} = \frac{1}{45}$$

obviously since I am solving inccorectly i get a negative value .. I understand the simple methods give in the above discussions .. i get it .. but what em i doing wrong.. i need to rectify my thought process otherwise I will keep approaching such problems in a similar fashion even in the future..

so comment will be greatly appreciated Bunuel .. Thanks a ton!

In your solution m and p are individual times, while 1/m and 1/p are respective rates. If Perry were to work at twice Maria’s rate, then his rate would be 2*(1/m), not 1/(2m). Therefore the correct equations are 1/m+1/p=1/45 and 1/m+2/m=1/20

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by the equations 1/m+2/m =1/ 20 => m = 60.

when i substituted in 1/m+1/p = 1/45. i got p = 18.

How to proceed after that??
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Bunuel wrote:
rawjetraw wrote:
Hi Bunuel,

I cant seem to understand what I am doing wrong by solving it like this.. please guide me ..

given: let call maria =m perry = p
working together we have $$\frac{1}{m} + \frac{1}{p} = \frac{1}{45}$$ ----------eq 1.

now if perry works twice at maria's rate we get .... $$\frac{1}{m} + \frac{1}{2m} = \frac{1}{20}$$
solving this we get... M = 30

now substituting it in the first eq 1.
$$\frac{1}{30} + \frac{1}{p} = \frac{1}{45}$$

obviously since I am solving inccorectly i get a negative value .. I understand the simple methods give in the above discussions .. i get it .. but what em i doing wrong.. i need to rectify my thought process otherwise I will keep approaching such problems in a similar fashion even in the future..

so comment will be greatly appreciated Bunuel .. Thanks a ton!

In your solution m and p are individual times, while 1/m and 1/p are respective rates. If Perry were to work at twice Maria’s rate, then his rate would be 2*(1/m), not 1/(2m). Therefore the correct equations are 1/m+1/p=1/45 and 1/m+2/m=1/20

buneul

by the equations 1/m+2/m =1/ 20 => m = 60.

when i substituted in 1/m+1/p = 1/45. i got p = 18.

How to proceed after that??

From 1/60 + 1/p = 1/45 it follows that p = 180 minutes, not 18. p there denotes is time Perry needs to compete the job alone, and this is what we need to find, hence p = 180 minutes = 3 hours is the answer.

Hope it's clear.
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So we have the following

1/M + 1/P = 1/45

We also know that 1/M + 2/M = 1/20

Therefore we know that M=60 and by substituting in the first equation we have that 1/P = 1/180

Therefore P = 180 = 3 hours

Hope this clarifies
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Hello Bunuel,
If rates are 1/m & 1/p then pm/(p+m)=45. Now if 1/p=2/m, I substituted m=2p in pm/(p+m)=20, which resulted in p=30... where I am going wrong... Please help.
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1/P + 1/M = 1/45

2/M + 1/M = 1/20

3/M = 1/20 => M=60

1/P + 1/60 = 1/45

P=180 mins, =3 hours
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Hello Bunuel,
If rates are 1/m & 1/p then pm/(p+m)=45. Now if 1/p=2/m, I substituted m=2p in pm/(p+m)=20, which resulted in p=30... where I am going wrong... Please help.

if rate p = 2m then time p = m/2. So:

[m/2 * m] / [ m/2 + m] = 20. Calculate and you will get m = 60.
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maria's rate=m
if 3m=1/20, then m=1/60
1/45-1/60=1/180=perry's rate
perry needs 180 minutes=3 hours to complete job alone
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Two musicians, Maria and Perry, work at independent constant rates to tune a warehouse full of instruments. If both musicians start at the same time and work at their normal rates, they will complete the job in 45 minutes. However, if Perry were to work at twice Maria’s rate, they would take only 20 minutes. How long would it take Perry, working alone at his normal rate, to tune the warehouse full of instruments?

A. 1 hr 20 min
B. 1 hr 45 min
C. 2 hr
D. 2 hr 20 min
E. 3 hr

first of all. the question is ambiguous from the start. is 45 min the rate they work both together? or each independently?

I suppose together...
so
$$\frac{1}{M}+\frac{1}{P}=\frac{1}{45}$$
then
we are told:
$$\frac{2}{M}+\frac{1}{M}=\frac{1}{20}$$

we can find the rate for M:
$$\frac{1}{60}$$ -> so M needs 60 min to finish the job.

now, we are given $$\frac{1}{M}$$, we can find $$\frac{1}{P}$$

$$\frac{1}{60}+\frac{1}{P}=\frac{1}{45}$$
$$\frac{1}{P}=\frac{1}{180}$$
So M needs 180 mins, or 3hours to complete the job alone.
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