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UK work visa abolished for internationals [#permalink] New post 26 Jan 2011, 11:22
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Hope you guys have read the latest international student work visa regualtions in UK, according to which post MBA job seeking window is completely removed.

What this means is, if you get a job offer before graduation, you will be one of the chosen 20,000 (the limit of internationals is capped at around 20,000 annually now). If not, you have to pack your bags and head home.

Whereas in the US, you have an OPT of a year for the MBA students and in Canada, you get a working visa for 2 years post graduation.

In the light of these new regulations, how many of you would rather not study in UK??
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Re: UK work visa abolished for internationals [#permalink] New post 26 Jan 2011, 13:08
This has not been fully passed yet and is a hot political debate at the moment. There will be more clarity on this around March / April.

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Hope you guys have read the latest international student work visa regualtions in UK, according to which post MBA job seeking window is completely removed.

What this means is, if you get a job offer before graduation, you will be one of the chosen 20,000 (the limit of internationals is capped at around 20,000 annually now). If not, you have to pack your bags and head home.

Whereas in the US, you have an OPT of a year for the MBA students and in Canada, you get a working visa for 2 years post graduation.

In the light of these new regulations, how many of you would rather not study in UK??

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Re: UK work visa abolished for internationals [#permalink] New post 26 Jan 2011, 13:16
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Hope you guys have read the latest international student work visa regualtions in UK, according to which post MBA job seeking window is completely removed.

What this means is, if you get a job offer before graduation, you will be one of the chosen 20,000 (the limit of internationals is capped at around 20,000 annually now). If not, you have to pack your bags and head home.

Whereas in the US, you have an OPT of a year for the MBA students and in Canada, you get a working visa for 2 years post graduation.

In the light of these new regulations, how many of you would rather not study in UK??


This reads too pessimistic and does not paint the correct picture as it lacks key factual information.
Firstly, there is a consultation going on about abolishing visa rules in favour of revised rules.

Secondly, a consultation does not mean law and debate will take place in parliament in May-June (Consultation ends sometimes in April 2011)

People who earn more than £40k will be exempt from the quota of work permits (should that go through the parliament).

So I would recommend people to do thorough research by visiting UK Home Office web site about consultation and make informed decision based on factual data than scaremongering.
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Re: UK work visa abolished for internationals [#permalink] New post 26 Jan 2011, 14:18
There was a good article in the FT (24 Jan, Business Education) about the Border Agency's new Tier 1 and Tier 2 visas for internationals outside the EU post graduation. Obviously Bschool deans are unhappy and up in arms, some lobbying under way. But a turnaround is unlikely in the current political climate.
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Re: UK work visa abolished for internationals [#permalink] New post 26 Jan 2011, 17:56
btw, "international people" in the UK does not include European people, thus they don't compete for the visas
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Re: UK work visa abolished for internationals [#permalink] New post 27 Jan 2011, 14:47
yeah, if one is a citizen of the European union, he/she doesnt need a VISA>
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Re: UK work visa abolished for internationals [#permalink] New post 30 Jan 2011, 21:28
Guys, while all of you are thinking about the future of international student work visa regulations, its worthwhile to go on the UK Home Office web site and take part in their survey, they posted to get public opinion on current regulations and propositions on changes. This survey will let you learn more about current regulations and will give you all an opportunity to vote against proposed changes.
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Re: UK work visa abolished for internationals [#permalink] New post 01 Feb 2011, 23:51
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As i posted on the London Business School 2011 Thread,

Guys, no need to worry... check what LBS sent to its current students:

As non-EU students will be well aware, the Home Office is currently drafting reforms to Tier 1 General and Tier 2 visas. It is also in the consultation stage on reforms to Tier 4 and Tier 1 Post Study Work visas. The consultation is still underway, and there are still many unanswered questions, but we wanted to update you on what we know at this stage and what the School is doing to try and influence the situation.

Along with the Dean, we have met with the UK Border Agency and immigration lawyers to discuss the Home Office's consultation. We continue to work closely with recruiters to help them understand the potential consequences of the changes.

Although it is not definite at this stage, it looks likely that there will be a phased introduction of the new arrangements. If the Tier 1 Post Study Work visa is discontinued, it seems probable that those graduating in 2011 will not be affected. The School will lobby for this change to be phased in over a longer period to try and ensure that those graduating in subsequent years will not be impacted, but there is no certainty at this stage. Another major focus for the School is lobbying for students who are already on a Tier 4 visa to be able to transfer to a sponsored Tier 2 visa without counting towards the employer's cap.

The School and the Student Association have each prepared a response to the Home Office's consultation document, detailing our arguments against the proposed reforms. The consultation period closes on Monday 31 January.

Immigration lawyer briefing session

Fragomen, a leading immigration law firm, will be holding a further briefing session for students to update you on the latest developments. This session has been provisionally booked for Friday 18 February - please look out for more details and reserve your place on Career Central.

To see copies of past communications about the immigration reforms, please visit Portal > Career Services home page > Visa/immigration.

Please rest assured that the School is taking this issue extremely seriously and working hard to ensure the Home Office really understands our concerns. We will continue to update you as soon as more information becomes available.

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Re: UK work visa abolished for internationals [#permalink] New post 02 Feb 2011, 10:28
The Tier 1/2 changes will affect MBAs and after the introduction of the last Labour administration, the current Tory/LD administration would like to scale back the level of immigration, particularly on low skilled level. MBAs who invested $50,000 in tuition fee alone are unlikely to end up being unemployed. To my knowledge, the current quota for Tier 1 is 38,000. Deans advocate that applicants with jobs of 30,000 plus p.a. should be eligible for visas. Does the Home Office agree?

The Immigration Minister D. Green took a tougher public stance in recent interviews and argued that local jobs should be filled with British and EU graduates first. There will be some changes in the UK Border Agency's rules given the current political climate and pre election manifesto.

I would add that the consultation is in full swing with some serious lobbying. Bschools argue that foreign students bring income to the economy and create jobs in higher education. Point out that other countries (France, Canada) may hoover up foreign students. Benefits of good will in growing economies in EE and Asia.
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Re: UK work visa abolished for internationals [#permalink] New post 02 Feb 2011, 11:32
Tories have cut benefits, increased taxes and generally made the masses worse off, something that people weren't unaware of before they voted. Memories of last years of Thatcher and Major are still alive. Even then they voted Tories in. Primarily for one reason: the Tory immigration policy.

Failing to show progress on that front means another long winter of opposition in Parliament for the Tories. Unfortunately, stopping immigration is something they cannot do one year before elections. Outsiders have to be denied entry now for there to be a visible change in 2015. All it means a very tough time for outsiders in UK.
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Re: UK work visa abolished for internationals [#permalink] New post 05 Feb 2011, 12:33
I think the new visa proposals may impact chances of non-EU students getting into LBS and the % intake may fall. I guess LBS may do this because if the proposals come into effect, it may be left with a big bunch of unemployed students in 2013 thus impacting its ratings.
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Re: UK work visa abolished for internationals [#permalink] New post 05 Feb 2011, 21:37
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I think the new visa proposals may impact chances of non-EU students getting into LBS and the % intake may fall. I guess LBS may do this because if the proposals come into effect, it may be left with a big bunch of unemployed students in 2013 thus impacting its ratings.


Ankeet, that's a brilliant thought! It does make sense for the UK programs to either cut the number of intake places (less likely i guess) or to simply balance the intake towards EU nationals.

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Re: UK work visa abolished for internationals [#permalink] New post 06 Feb 2011, 13:46
I don't think so LBS or any other "good" UK schools will have the problem.

As the limit of work permits are proposed to apply for people earning less than £40,000. And come on, if you come out of LBS/Oxford/Cambrdige and earn less than £40k than there is something wrong.

OR good UK schools start marketing their students to alumni outside the EU more, LBS has good international pool.
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Re: UK work visa abolished for internationals [#permalink] New post 06 Feb 2011, 15:56
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I don't think so LBS or any other "good" UK schools will have the problem.

As the limit of work permits are proposed to apply for people earning less than £40,000. And come on, if you come out of LBS/Oxford/Cambrdige and earn less than £40k than there is something wrong.

OR good UK schools start marketing their students to alumni outside the EU more, LBS has good international pool.


If the 40K requirement is a replacement for Tier 1 then let's make this clear. They ask you to show earnings of 40K for last 12 months. Coming out of uni, there ain't no way you could show that earning.

To restate the blooming obvious: No place for non-EU in UK.
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Re: UK work visa abolished for internationals [#permalink] New post 07 Feb 2011, 09:49
This isn't 100% related, but does anybody have any insight/info on permission to work rights for dependents on Tier 4 student visas? As it stands right now, dependents are granted permission to work if the sponsor's program is more than 12 months. This clause in the Tier 4 visa program is potentially on the chopping block. I ask because I'm planning on attending LBS this fall, and without automatic permission to work for my wife, her career could be seriously disrupted and financing would be much more difficult.
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Re: UK work visa abolished for internationals [#permalink] New post 07 Feb 2011, 13:17
Those thinking that the Home Office will exempt MBAs with 40,000 GBP income p.a. from the cull. The latest statement still insists a cull in student visas, particularly pre degree courses are affected. But the figure of graduate student visa cull still stands with a cut of 20% for non EU students.

Primary targets of fast track visas are high end net worth investors with 5-10m GBP UK investment.
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Re: UK work visa abolished for internationals [#permalink] New post 08 Feb 2011, 05:28
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I guess a lot of questions that people have will be answered on reading this speech by damian green

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/media-cent ... ion-reform

I feel LBS should not be impacted too much as I am assuming it would be a part of the "highly trusted sponsors" group mentioned in the speech. The aim of these reforms is mainly to curb abuse of the current visa policies and not to ban non EUs to work in UK. If they do that it will have an impact on their school's ranking as well as on the revenue they generate. Having said that, you really never know what they may decide so fingers crossed and hoping that the final policy is in our favour.
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Re: UK work visa abolished for internationals [#permalink] New post 08 Feb 2011, 05:54
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I guess a lot of questions that people have will be answered on reading this speech by damian green

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/media-cent ... ion-reform

I feel LBS should not be impacted too much as I am assuming it would be a part of the "highly trusted sponsors" group mentioned in the speech. The aim of these reforms is mainly to curb abuse of the current visa policies and not to ban non EUs to work in UK. If they do that it will have an impact on their school's ranking as well as on the revenue they generate. Having said that, you really never know what they may decide so fingers crossed and hoping that the final policy is in our favour.



Positive speech for LBS!
indeed, fingers crossed
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Re: UK work visa abolished for internationals [#permalink] New post 08 Feb 2011, 06:41
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I guess a lot of questions that people have will be answered on reading this speech by damian green

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/media-cent ... ion-reform

I feel LBS should not be impacted too much as I am assuming it would be a part of the "highly trusted sponsors" group mentioned in the speech. The aim of these reforms is mainly to curb abuse of the current visa policies and not to ban non EUs to work in UK. If they do that it will have an impact on their school's ranking as well as on the revenue they generate. Having said that, you really never know what they may decide so fingers crossed and hoping that the final policy is in our favour.


Certainly cause for some optimism. My main hope is that, should they remove dependent's right to work, they'll still allow for dependents on Highly Trusted Sponsor visas to work. I don't know if that's wishful thinking at present.

Based on my own feelings, hindering partners' ability to work and continue their own careers, not to mention significantly increasing the financial burden, is a significant disincentive to attend LBS or any other UK program over 12 months. Forcing dependents to acquire their own Tier 2 visa is hardly a consolation given how difficult and limited they are to obtain.
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Re: UK work visa abolished for internationals [#permalink] New post 10 Feb 2011, 08:21
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I read tons of material from the UK homeoffice and other public sources. One thing is unclear though: Did the government commit to any certain date when they would know what exact changes they are bringing in?

I would want to know for sure before I pay my deposit.
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