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Under high pressure and intense heat, graphite, the most stable form of pure carbon, changes into the substance commonly referred to as diamond and remaining this way whether or not the heat and pressure are removed.

(A) remaining this way whether or not
(B) remaining like that even as
(C) remaining as such whether or not
(D) remains in this way although
(E) remains thus even when

The official answer to this problem is E!!!
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05 Feb 2014, 07:03
Hi E-Gmat,

Under high pressure and intense heat, graphite, the most stable form of pure carbon, changes into the substance commonly referred to as diamond and remaining this way whether or not the heat and pressure are removed.

(A) remaining this way whether or not-out
(B) remaining like that even as-out
(C) remaining as such whether or not-out
(D) remains in this way although
(E) remains thus even when

Im able to eliminate Choices A,B,&C as and is the parallel marker First Verb is "Changes" and Second should be "Remains"
But not able to eliminate Choice D & E. Please explain ?

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05 Feb 2014, 19:12
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Hi E-Gmat,

Under high pressure and intense heat, graphite, the most stable form of pure carbon, changes into the substance commonly referred to as diamond and remaining this way whether or not the heat and pressure are removed.

(A) remaining this way whether or not-out
(B) remaining like that even as-out
(C) remaining as such whether or not-out
(D) remains in this way although
(E) remains thus even when

Im able to eliminate Choices A,B,&C as and is the parallel marker First Verb is "Changes" and Second should be "Remains"
But not able to eliminate Choice D & E. Please explain ?

In D, 'this' doesn't have a referent. 'Although' is used to bring in contrast, which isn't required (and illogical too). Another thing. 'Although' is a conjunction (subordinate) and hence proper punctuation (comma) is needed to connect the main and dependent clauses.

E remains.
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Hi Nitin,

As the above poster has pointed out "although" is unnecessarily bringing in a contrast. There is no contrast in the intended meaning of the sentence. The sentence wants to say that even when certain conditions are changed, the diamond doesn't change. So, no contrast is required here.

I hope this helps!

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18 Feb 2014, 20:43
On OG12, the answer for this question is given as E. Over here, it is given as D.

I was relying on the latter all this time, and when I sat down to solve OG12 today, I realized the answer option "D" is incorrect. This has been so confusing for me. Can we please have correct answers on the questions over here. I am sure that will help a lot of people instead of creating ambiguity.
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07 Apr 2014, 04:06
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Ron Purewal says (and I post this here for the benefit of the group..I will take the KUDOS anyways ):
the correct answer to this problem is (e).

usually "thus" is used to mean roughly "therefore", BUT "thus" can mean "in the same way" or "in the same state".
for instance:
at maturity the caterpillar becomes a butterfly, and remains thus until its death. --> in this case, "thus" means "in the same state", and, therefore, means "as a butterfly".

same thing in choice (e), in which "thus" means "in the form of diamond".

this IS the intended meaning: AT THE TIME WHEN the pressure is removed, the substance stays in the form of diamond.

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(d) is incorrect.

* "in this way" is unidiomatic here.
"in this way" can refer only to the MANNER IN WHICH AN EVENT OR ACTION OCCURS OR IS PERFORMED.
it CANNOT refer to the physical state of something. for instance, in the above example, you CANNOT use "in this way" to refer to the butterfly stage.

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* if you use "although", you are basically declaring that "the heat and pressure are removed".
in other words, "X, although Y" expresses the idea that X and Y are both facts (although they contrast with each other in some way).
this is not the intended meaning; "heat and pressure are removed" is a hypothetical that may or may not happen, and so should be introduced with "when" or "if" rather than "although".

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In that case, please change the OA. Thanks.
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OA is E not D

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Ron Purewal says (and I post this here for the benefit of the group..I will take the KUDOS anyways ):
the correct answer to this problem is (e).

usually "thus" is used to mean roughly "therefore", BUT "thus" can mean "in the same way" or "in the same state".
for instance:
at maturity the caterpillar becomes a butterfly, and remains thus until its death. --> in this case, "thus" means "in the same state", and, therefore, means "as a butterfly".

same thing in choice (e), in which "thus" means "in the form of diamond".

this IS the intended meaning: AT THE TIME WHEN the pressure is removed, the substance stays in the form of diamond.

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(d) is incorrect.

* "in this way" is unidiomatic here.
"in this way" can refer only to the MANNER IN WHICH AN EVENT OR ACTION OCCURS OR IS PERFORMED.
it CANNOT refer to the physical state of something. for instance, in the above example, you CANNOT use "in this way" to refer to the butterfly stage.

also:
* if you use "although", you are basically declaring that "the heat and pressure are removed".
in other words, "X, although Y" expresses the idea that X and Y are both facts (although they contrast with each other in some way).
this is not the intended meaning; "heat and pressure are removed" is a hypothetical that may or may not happen, and so should be introduced with "when" or "if" rather than "although".

-End of Ron's message

Thank you.

agree with you on above things. D is not logic, using meaning analysis.

the problem to me is that "thus" in E is similar to "so"
"and remain so" would be easy for us.
but in the dictionary "thus" have no meaning of "so".

gmat want us to realize the illogic meaning in D and to choose a meaning of "thus" which is new to all of us.

in dictionary "thus" means "in this way"
if "thus" have only this meaning, D is wrong ONLY BECAUSE although is not so logic as when.
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16 Sep 2015, 20:30
Two reasons for option E over D :

- D introduces unnecessary contrast by using Although. (Although changes the intended meaning of the sentence)

- In D (X, although Y) - the subject of X & Y are not related.
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- In D (X, although Y) - the subject of X & Y are not related.

Can you explain this further. It is not clear to me.
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X, Although Y

- Although introduces "Contrast".

Typical structure of "although" - depedent clause marker - Although X,Y

2 things:

1. X & Y needs to be parallel

2. The subject of X and the subject of Y needs to be related. (Since we are starting a sentence in X with "although" , we need to complete the sentence by referring to a related subject in Y)

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23 Dec 2016, 20:31
E is so awkward, but "even though" is the correct idiom, so I still chose it...

This question is weird.
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Under high pressure and intense heat, graphite, the most stable form of pure carbon, changes into the substance commonly referred to as diamond and remaining this way whether or not the heat and pressure are removed.

(A) remaining this way whether or not - Parallelism issue - changes and remaining . Also we need simple present tense here as the sentence states a fact about graphite.
(B) remaining like that even as - Parallelism issue - changes and remaining . Even as is incorrect
(C) remaining as such whether or not - Parallelism issue - changes and remaining .
(D) remains in this way although - although distorts meaning
(E) remains thus even when - Correct

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