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Unlike the short flights of the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, which carried sufficient power in fuel cells and batteries, a permanently orbiting space station will have to generate its own electricity.

A. the short flights of the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, which carried sufficient power in fuel cells
and batteries
B. the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, with sufficient enough power in fuel cells and batteries for their
short flights
C. the short flights of the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, which enabled them to carry sufficient
enough power in fuel cells and batteries
D. the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, which were capable of carrying sufficient power in fuel cells
and batteries for their short flights
E. the flights of the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, whose shortness allowed them to carry sufficient
power in fuel cells and batteries

Edit: Posted Full question and removed the image file.
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Re: Unlike the short flights of the shuttle and earlier spac [#permalink] New post 08 Oct 2012, 09:13
Unlike X , Y is the idiom being tested here. Only B and D are the contenders. In B their is a modifier error , with is xxx is incorrect , further their is no verb present. D wins.
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Re: Unlike the short flights of the shuttle and earlier spac [#permalink] New post 08 Oct 2012, 21:56
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Unlike X , Y is the idiom being tested here. Only B and D are the contenders. In B their is a modifier error , with is xxx is incorrect , further their is no verb present. D wins.


Correctly pointed out!

The reason B is wrong is that the prepositional phrase " with......." is unclear in terms of the clause/phrase it is modifying. Is it the previous one or the next one.

eg. XXXXXXXXX, with.........., YYYYYYYYYY

We dont know with is referring to XXXXXXXXX or to YYYYYYYY.


Hope this clarifies :)
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Re: Unlike the short flights of the shuttle and earlier spac [#permalink] New post 08 Oct 2012, 22:20
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vdadwal wrote:
Unlike X , Y is the idiom being tested here. Only B and D are the contenders. In B their is a modifier error , with is xxx is incorrect , further their is no verb present. D wins.


Correctly pointed out!

The reason B is wrong is that the prepositional phrase " with......." is unclear in terms of the clause/phrase it is modifying. Is it the previous one or the next one.

eg. XXXXXXXXX, with.........., YYYYYYYYYY

We dont know with is referring to XXXXXXXXX or to YYYYYYYY.


Hope this clarifies :)



Hi, how can you say that it is not clear to what "with" modifier is modifying.
But if we see the entire phrase, it has pronoun"their" which can go back only to "shuttle and spacecrafts" (plural) and not to "space station" singular.

I eliminated B from D for following reason:
1) sufficient enough is redundant. As both the words are being used for the same sense.
2) Also, "ENOUGH THAT" is not a correct idiom.

Correct Idiom for Enough is :
1) Enough to + verb
2) Enough + Noun+ to + verb
3) Adj + Enough to + verb
4) Enough For

Hope this helps.
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Re: Unlike the short flights of the shuttle and earlier spac [#permalink] New post 08 Oct 2012, 22:48
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adineo wrote:
vdadwal wrote:
Unlike X , Y is the idiom being tested here. Only B and D are the contenders. In B their is a modifier error , with is xxx is incorrect , further their is no verb present. D wins.


Correctly pointed out!

The reason B is wrong is that the prepositional phrase " with......." is unclear in terms of the clause/phrase it is modifying. Is it the previous one or the next one.

eg. XXXXXXXXX, with.........., YYYYYYYYYY

We dont know with is referring to XXXXXXXXX or to YYYYYYYY.


Hope this clarifies :)



Hi, how can you say that it is not clear to what "with" modifier is modifying.
But if we see the entire phrase, it has pronoun"their" which can go back only to "shuttle and spacecrafts" (plural) and not to "space station" singular.

I eliminated B from D for following reason:
1) sufficient enough is redundant. As both the words are being used for the same sense.
2) Also, "ENOUGH THAT" is not a correct idiom.

Correct Idiom for Enough is :
1) Enough to + verb
2) Enough + Noun+ to + verb
3) Adj + Enough to + verb
4) Enough For

Hope this helps.


Your first point is correct. There is redundant usage.

How can you eliminate B on basis of "enough that" when there is no "that" present ?

Moreover, the construction of prepositional modifier in this case is ambiguous. 'Their' can also refer to fuel cells and batteries.

Lets say we remove the redundancy:

Unlike the short flights of the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, with sufficient power in fuel cells and batteries for their short flights , a permanently orbiting space station will have to generate its own electricity.

This sentence is also an incorrect usage because of ambiguity!

Hope it clarifies
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Re: Unlike the short flights of the shuttle and earlier spac [#permalink] New post 08 Oct 2012, 23:21
adineo wrote:
anukrati wrote:

Hi, how can you say that it is not clear to what "with" modifier is modifying.
But if we see the entire phrase, it has pronoun"their" which can go back only to "shuttle and spacecrafts" (plural) and not to "space station" singular.

I eliminated B from D for following reason:
1) sufficient enough is redundant. As both the words are being used for the same sense.
2) Also, "ENOUGH THAT" is not a correct idiom.

Correct Idiom for Enough is :
1) Enough to + verb
2) Enough + Noun+ to + verb
3) Adj + Enough to + verb
4) Enough For

Hope this helps.


Your first point is correct. There is redundant usage.

How can you eliminate B on basis of "enough that" when there is no "that" present ?

Moreover, the construction of prepositional modifier in this case is ambiguous. 'Their' can also refer to fuel cells and batteries.

Lets say we remove the redundancy:

Unlike the short flights of the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, with sufficient power in fuel cells and batteries for their short flights , a permanently orbiting space station will have to generate its own electricity.

This sentence is also an incorrect usage because of ambiguity!

Hope it clarifies



I incorrectly wrote that "I eliminated because of that reason"
What I wanted to say was - what is the correct idiom usage of Enough and what is not.

Thanks for correcting me. :)
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Re: Unlike the short flights of the shuttle and earlier spac [#permalink] New post 09 Oct 2012, 02:53
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[quote="SOURH7WK"]Unlike the short flights of the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, which carried sufficient power in fuel cells and batteries, a permanently orbiting space station will have to generate its own electricity.

A. the short flights of the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, which carried sufficient power in fuel cells
and batteries
B. the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, with sufficient enough power in fuel cells and batteries for their
short flights
C. the short flights of the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, which enabled them to carry sufficient
enough power in fuel cells and batteries
D. the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, which were capable of carrying sufficient power in fuel cells
and batteries for their short flights
E. the flights of the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, whose shortness allowed them to carry sufficient
power in fuel cells and batteries

Unlike X, Y is the correct construction, where X and Y are logical and parallel.

A. space station is compared with flights of shuttles. Apples to oranges
B. sufficient enough is a heavily redundant construction.
C. Same error as A

D. Correct.E. Same error as A and C.
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Re: Unlike the short flights of the shuttle and earlier [#permalink] New post 18 Jul 2014, 03:13
SOURH7WK wrote:
Unlike the short flights of the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, which carried sufficient power in fuel cells and batteries, a permanently orbiting space station will have to generate its own electricity.

A. the short flights of the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, which carried sufficient power in fuel cells
and batteries
B. the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, with sufficient enough power in fuel cells and batteries for their
short flights
C. the short flights of the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, which enabled them to carry sufficient
enough power in fuel cells and batteries
D. the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, which were capable of carrying sufficient power in fuel cells
and batteries for their short flights
E. the flights of the shuttle and earlier spacecraft, whose shortness allowed them to carry sufficient
power in fuel cells and batteries

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Some people argue that in option B the use of modifier "with..." is incorrect. Experts, please help me to explain why the use of modifier "with...." in option B is incorrect!! Thank you so much!
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Re: Unlike the short flights of the shuttle and earlier [#permalink] New post 18 Jul 2014, 03:33
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Some people argue that in option B the use of modifier "with..." is incorrect.


NO !! this is not the case
this construction is not outright wrong but yes there is this construction "sufficient enough power" which makes it wrong .this expression is redundant ----->"sufficient" and "enough" implies the same meaning

does it help?
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Re: Unlike the short flights of the shuttle and earlier [#permalink] New post 18 Jul 2014, 05:06
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Some people argue that in option B the use of modifier "with..." is incorrect.


NO !! this is not the case
this construction is not outright wrong but yes there is this construction "sufficient enough power" which makes it wrong .this expression is redundant ----->"sufficient" and "enough" implies the same meaning

does it help?



Yes, indeed, it does! Thank you, Aditya8062!
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