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Unlike their counterparts in other Western democracies, the American labor movement has never embraced revolutionary ideologies calling for the ultimate transformation of the economic order.
(A) Unlike their counterparts in other Western democracies, the American labor movement has never
(B) Unlike that of their counterparts in other Western democracies, the American labor movement has never
(C) Unlike its counterpart in other Western democracies, the American labor movement never have
(D) Unlike that of its counterparts in other Western democracies, the American labor movement never has
(E) Unlike that of its counterparts in other Western democracies, the American labor movement has never
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Re: SC- "Unlike" usage [#permalink] New post 21 Jun 2004, 08:37
Will go with E

Unlike that of its counterparts in other Western democracies, the American labor movement ... is correct
comparing apples to apples ...
Unlike that [labor mvmts] of its [America's] counterparts in other Western ...., the American labor movement ...

Between D and E ... E is correct
He has never gone to an opera is correct usage instead of He never has gone to an opera
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Doesn't the "never has" - given for emphasising negative.
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Re: SC- "Unlike" usage [#permalink] New post 21 Jun 2004, 10:44
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Will go with E

Unlike that of its counterparts in other Western democracies, the American labor movement ... is correct
comparing apples to apples ...
Unlike that [labor mvmts] of its [America's] counterparts in other Western ...., the American labor movement ...

Between D and E ... E is correct
He has never gone to an opera is correct usage instead of He never has gone to an opera


While I also got the correct answer (E) by POE, the reasoning is not very clear to me. The "that of its" part is confusing best. You said that "its" refers to America's. But I wonder whether "its" can be properly used with "American". The second clause should have had proper noun "America" NOT American. Then "its" can correctly refer to America.
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 [#permalink] New post 21 Jun 2004, 10:58
hello...

the use of ''its'' is very right and ''its'' denotes the ''american labour movement'' and not ameriacn or america as pointed out...
also ''that of its'' is used because ''the subject ''american labor movement's embracing'' which is an action here is compared with that of the other WESTERn labor movements''

subject = its

subject's action = that of

now these two terms are used to compare and give a right sense of the sentence

hope that help

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Re: SC- "Unlike" usage [#permalink] New post 21 Jun 2004, 11:00
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Please explain your answer.


Unlike their counterparts in other Western democracies, the American labor movement has never embraced revolutionary ideologies calling for the ultimate transformation of the economic order.
(A) Unlike their counterparts in other Western democracies, the American labor movement has never
(B) Unlike that of their counterparts in other Western democracies, the American labor movement has never
(C) Unlike its counterpart in other Western democracies, the American labor movement never have
(D) Unlike that of its counterparts in other Western democracies, the American labor movement never has
(E) Unlike that of its counterparts in other Western democracies, the American labor movement has never


where did you get this SC gmatblast? some of the choices are a play on words.. very strange ( has never .... never has) . I am lost.. but let me try.

first, we have to decide what pronoun to use for "american labor movement" . Since its a collective Noun and all its members as a group do the same thing in unison, the correct pronoun should be its.. ( that is singular)

IMO, our options are C,D and E.

Now, we know that .. the American labor movement is singular.. so we cant have a plural verb for its action .. that rules out C

for D and E, i noticed that " Never has" is usually followed by "been". that is two auxiliary verbs, HAS and BEEN. Also, "Never has " is mostly used to start off a sentence.

I would say E is best.
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 [#permalink] New post 21 Jun 2004, 11:04
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the use of ''its'' is very right and ''its'' denotes the ''american labour movement'' and not ameriacn or america as pointed out...
also ''that of its'' is used because ''the subject ''american labor movement's embracing'' which is an action here is compared with that of the other WESTERn labor movements''

subject = its

subject's action = that of

now these two terms are used to compare and give a right sense of the sentence

hope that help

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Sorry, but you are way off here.

If your explanation were to be correct then what follows the comma should have been this: "the action of American Labor Movement to embrasse......"

I can not tell you for sure what "that of its" refers to, but I can certanly tell you that your explanation is INCORRECT.
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Re: SC- "Unlike" usage [#permalink] New post 21 Jun 2004, 11:08
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gmatblast wrote:
Please explain your answer.


Unlike their counterparts in other Western democracies, the American labor movement has never embraced revolutionary ideologies calling for the ultimate transformation of the economic order.
(A) Unlike their counterparts in other Western democracies, the American labor movement has never
(B) Unlike that of their counterparts in other Western democracies, the American labor movement has never
(C) Unlike its counterpart in other Western democracies, the American labor movement never have
(D) Unlike that of its counterparts in other Western democracies, the American labor movement never has
(E) Unlike that of its counterparts in other Western democracies, the American labor movement has never


where did you get this SC gmatblast? some of the choices are a play on words.. very strange ( has never .... never has) . I am lost.. but let me try.

first, we have to decide what pronoun to use for "american labor movement" . Since its a collective Noun and all its members as a group do the same thing in unison, the correct pronoun should be its.. ( that is singular)

IMO, our options are C,D and E.

Now, we know that .. the American labor movement is singular.. so we cant have a plural verb for its action .. that rules out C

for D and E, i noticed that " Never has" is usually followed by "been". that is two auxiliary verbs, HAS and BEEN. Also, "Never has " is mostly used to start off a sentence.

I would say E is best.


Praet,

This question is from the SC MAGABANK. Well as I mentioned in my earlier post I was also able to get to the answer E by POE (Just as you did). But I am trying to understand the choice E. What various parts of E suggest. especially the use of "that of its" does not make sense.
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 [#permalink] New post 21 Jun 2004, 11:17
Ya, the use of "that" is confusing..

I hope akamai stops by and helps us out.
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 [#permalink] New post 21 Jun 2004, 11:58
I got to E by POE also. I believe this question is just wrong. When you have "that of", you need some kind of possessive form to justify its use.

I'll start with a simple example.
X's book, unlike that of his neighbor, is one filled with thousands of pages.
In the above, "that of" intends to modify "X's book" - a possessive form

You can also reverse the modifier and put it at the beginning of the sentence as the current question does.
Unlike that of his neighbor, X's book is one filled with thousands of pages.
Basically, "that of" is parallel with the possessive form "book of" or "X's book".

In the original question, we DO NOT have the possessive form:
Unlike that of its counterparts in other Western democracies, the American labor movement has never X

I believe that to use "that of" and make the right comparison, the sentence should use the possessive form as follows:
Unlike that of its counterparts in other Western democracies, America's labor movement has never X
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The hell has already broken loose on this SC.

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 [#permalink] New post 21 Jun 2004, 14:16
will go with E.
A,B - wrong plural
C - have is plural
D- never has - wrong order
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