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 [#permalink] New post 08 Oct 2006, 23:30
Hi man,

i saw many of your posts (on verbal forum)-

In my view YOU ARE READY- think you can achieve at least 680!

Agree that your schedule is complicated - maybe YOU need to compromise something (say ,take a 1week holliday sick- the world will not end it, the clients and the company will not crash- because as you know,i think-none of us is not-replaceble.
Think you have to do some sort of prioritization (in fact- you know this)

ON the other hand i believe that You dont need advice- YOU simply know , you have the knoledge- You already get the feelings and experiences from all the top scorers on this forum- You have the expertise-

Go there- and take it.

I think YOU will be THE MOST surprised person when YOU will see the final score-

good luck
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ps- above are only thoughts from someone which didnt take his test( and pushing with verbal)- so i am not a sort of authorized person -

hope it will help in some ways .cheers
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 [#permalink] New post 09 Oct 2006, 04:05
I also got 590. I took it almost 1 year ago too. I've dragged myself back (to quote Any Given Sunday .. "inch by inch"). I'm taking it tomorrow.

To spend over a year, not being able to enjoy or relax, but always having the GMAT at the back of my mind. Forcing oneself to study.

Don't let other people get you down. You're a fighter, a survivor. Battle your way to the top, against the odds .

I'll see what tomorrow holds for me...

We fight on ...

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 [#permalink] New post 09 Oct 2006, 05:13
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I also got 590. I took it almost 1 year ago too. I've dragged myself back (to quote Any Given Sunday .. "inch by inch"). I'm taking it tomorrow.

To spend over a year, not being able to enjoy or relax, but always having the GMAT at the back of my mind. Forcing oneself to study.

Don't let other people get you down. You're a fighter, a survivor. Battle your way to the top, against the odds .

I'll see what tomorrow holds for me...

We fight on ...


Good Luck wlee76 ! :D.... This time, your mission is clear: kill it !! :D... Hope u the best :)
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 [#permalink] New post 09 Oct 2006, 06:39
We are all part of the same mastermind alliance. I believe in all of you just as much as you believe in me. Ultimately, our synergy will yield dividends.

@Fig Thanks buddy, I have programmed the "eye of the tiger" into the stereo alarm clock. It's the first thing I woke up to at 5:30 this morning at medium-high volume. The lyrics to that song immediately pump me up.

@Yezz I'm not a samurai, actually I'm not even Japanese to be honest. Just working as an expat here in Osaka. Like many of us, aspiring for something more/better in life.

@Pelihu Nope, your law firm work week was probably even more demanding. Can't even begin to imagine the pressure you were under... Over here, it's all about speed and accuracy. Japanese are perfectionists.

@Guru Starting to cool off in the valley of the sun yet? It's always great to see you in the forum; your CRs rule!

@Matrix Thanx! Appreciate the vote of confidence.

@gv Thanks for your honest feedback, it really is nice to here somebody say something like that, but honestly, I am just an average guy trying to get an a slightly better than average score, aiming for a tier 2 school w/ partial scholarship. No great expectations. Anything beyond that would be gravy. Looking forward to interacting more with you in the forum. As for improving (verbal) performance, I truly believe this exam is 10% content mastery and 90% mental control. Pelihu, has learned to channel both of these abilities into leveraging a nearly perfect score. I hope to acquire (and later give) some of the key nuggets of golden GMAT wisdom he has attained.

@wlee76 Good luck tommorrow! You seem confident and prepared, surely you will do fine. I got that Pacino "inch by inch" speech added to my signature below and watch it every Sunday before taking a practice CAT. If nothing else, that speech has to be one of the most motivational of all time.
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 [#permalink] New post 09 Oct 2006, 08:48
Matt,

I read your entire thread and just want to let you know that I know how you feel. Sometimes the goal is just one reach away yet that one last step seems so hard to get across. I also know the feeling of being trapped in millions of different tasks and duties when one can seldomly find time for him/herself.

But I also know that conquering GMAT is something you really wanted, and I know you are not one that will easily give up.

It is the hardest time, when one has put in all his effort, without seeing the returns that he deserves. What I want to say to you is: Don't stop to believe. Have faith on yourself. You don't need to get up even ealier than you do now. You don't need to put in more hours that you don't know where you can find. You just need to be more efficient, more focused, and study more smartly. I've done it before, and you can too.

Please feel free to pm me if I can be any help.

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 [#permalink] New post 11 Oct 2006, 09:35
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Matt,

I read your entire thread and just want to let you know that I know how you feel. Sometimes the goal is just one reach away yet that one last step seems so hard to get across. I also know the feeling of being trapped in millions of different tasks and duties when one can seldomly find time for him/herself.

But I also know that conquering GMAT is something you really wanted, and I know you are not one that will easily give up.

It is the hardest time, when one has put in all his effort, without seeing the returns that he deserves. What I want to say to you is: Don't stop to believe. Have faith on yourself. You don't need to get up even ealier than you do now. You don't need to put in more hours that you don't know where you can find. You just need to be more efficient, more focused, and study more smartly. I've done it before, and you can too.

Please feel free to pm me if I can be any help.


Really appreciate your heartfelt consideration HongHu. In all honesty, my attitude is starting to shift from "must pass the GMAT with a XXX score" to more of a personal challenge of resolve and mental flexibility.

After failing three times, score is no longer an issue, because I could fail another three times and it really wouldn't make a difference. Understanding the logic behind the test, why the questions are asked, how such problems will be relevant in b-school and ultimately success in the real business world is of greater importance.

For example; SCs teach us to craft clear and concise documents. CRs train us to use evidence and assumptions to attack another's argument. DSs check our ability to solve a hypothetical problem given a limited amount of information.

I truly believe these skills are drilled because schools would like us to all be "primed to think" critically and analytically amongst our cohorts when it comes to solving complex case studies. Somehow, there is a method to the madness...
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 [#permalink] New post 11 Oct 2006, 15:09
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Matt,

I read your entire thread and just want to let you know that I know how you feel. Sometimes the goal is just one reach away yet that one last step seems so hard to get across. I also know the feeling of being trapped in millions of different tasks and duties when one can seldomly find time for him/herself.

But I also know that conquering GMAT is something you really wanted, and I know you are not one that will easily give up.

It is the hardest time, when one has put in all his effort, without seeing the returns that he deserves. What I want to say to you is: Don't stop to believe. Have faith on yourself. You don't need to get up even ealier than you do now. You don't need to put in more hours that you don't know where you can find. You just need to be more efficient, more focused, and study more smartly. I've done it before, and you can too.

Please feel free to pm me if I can be any help.


Really appreciate your heartfelt consideration HongHu. In all honesty, my attitude is starting to shift from "must pass the GMAT with a XXX score" to more of a personal challenge of resolve and mental flexibility.

After failing three times, score is no longer an issue, because I could fail another three times and it really wouldn't make a difference. Understanding the logic behind the test, why the questions are asked, how such problems will be relevant in b-school and ultimately success in the real business world is of greater importance.

For example; SCs teach us to craft clear and concise documents. CRs train us to use evidence and assumptions to attack another's argument. DSs check our ability to solve a hypothetical problem given a limited amount of information.

I truly believe these skills are drilled because schools would like us to all be "primed to think" critically and analytically amongst our cohorts when it comes to solving complex case studies. Somehow, there is a method to the madness...


Actually you are right Matt because I have been noticing the value of critical reasoning all ready in my current job though I am not in any sort of management position.
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 [#permalink] New post 12 Oct 2006, 07:05
Matt,

I just read this thread and I just admire your tenacity and determination!

Good luck with everything and I really hope you get the score you want as you truly deserve it!!! Don't ever give up!!!!!!!

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all the best buddy!
i hope this time you ll get what you deserve.
!thumbs up!

no sarcasm here :wink:
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All the best my dear friend !!! Go For It !!!

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That was a great piece you wrote here, rhyme.

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 [#permalink] New post 17 Nov 2006, 07:02
Sept 2006 had to be the most humiliating moment of my life. Just couldn't go down like that...No way! Six weeks of consistent daily prep between lunch hour breaks, on the subway to and from work, followed by bi-weekly CATs on Sundays and Thursdays (after work).

The past seven practice CATs were all in the 640-660 range (without AWAs) so I decided to take the test as a warm-up a month early to gauge my current standing. Knowing that Dec 17th was still available, I was able to keep the stress and anxiety under control.

Walked in 30 min early refreshed from a good night's sleep and ready to exchange blows with PVue. Got fingerprinted, digital photographed, guzzled half a red bull and started ten minutes early at 12:10pm.

Essays were a breeze. Despite my original strategy of "putting minimal effort in the writing section and saving the stamina for the Q-V," I actually had a clear mind and few bones of contention to pick with the topics. Probably due to the red bull caffeine, I ended up writing 5-6 somewhat compelling paragraphs for each of the Argument/Issue topics. Writing essays has never been a problem area because it is the one aspect of the exam over which we have almost complete control. I hope to get the same as always 5~6.

Quantitative started out tricky. The first question was a work problem masqueraded as a multiple circuit motherboard involving the manipulation of three different, but not impossible, ratios. It was a four step problem that I simply could not decipher; even after five minutes and three futile attempts. When the clock read 69:59, I made an educated guess and moved on. The second problem was much easier (basic geometry) so I assume I must have been immediately dropped into the lower bin. After that, I literally BLAZED through the next 20 or so consecutive problems until I encountered something like this:

3^6*33^16 is approximately 10^x What is the value of x?

That has to be a mid 40s range make or break problem, because immediately after that the CAT gave me alternating problems that I either could or could not answer. It ultimately dialed in my Q range at 42.

Incidentally, I did get one problem on combinatorics and one problem on geometeric progression. Also encountered the old faithful "distance between the surface of a sphere inscribed in a cube of given length n." Yep, PVue is still testing that question after all these years :shock:

Took a 9 minute break, emptied the bladder, gobbled five or six oreo cookies and washed them down with that last 1/2 a red bull. Wrote out the grid A-B-C-D-E for the verbal and did a one minute meditation after the proctor signed the test back on (we have one minute to read the verbal instructions page).

Verbal began with two challenging SCs. One actually was testing the passive voice against two very tempting active alternatives and the other was a tricky S-V using the gerund verb as a subject (make sure you know this is singular!). Took extra precaution on these and finally saw the traps after 3-4 rereadings. Got two back to back RCs from question #6, both about economics (you lucky econ majors!!); one very lengthy (80~90 liner) on the change in worker productivity since the industrial revolution, and the other a convoluted stacked two paragrapher on the elasticity of demand in an emerging market. Swear it must have come straight out of a microecon textbook. Had to make a few 50-50 guesses, and then was faced with one extremely difficult statitistic CR inference question that probably required a venn diagram. As I have been practicing with LSAT CRs lately, I definately discovered that GMAT questions are easier, but get much more dense as we start to approach the V40 threshold. That being said, my abilities are still a little too fuzzy to single out that one "good looking answer choice." Finished the last SC, a modifier, with 2 seconds on the clock!! Phew :oops: Blue ink smudged all over the table and right hand, and the test center was starting to get dark as the sun was beginning to fade off.

Confirmed those eight survey questions and clicked "report scores."

Now here is where I need to make a distinction: I am not an IT engineer and I did not study social sciences in undergrad. Born to a single high school mother and on my own since 16, I payed my way through undergrad by first washing dishes and later selling goods to Japanese tourists in Hawaii as I had to acquire the language to survive. The more I studied the language the faster I switched jobs and ultimately landed a Japanese MOJ full scholarship here in Osaka. Consequently, I majored in Japanese (East Asian Languages) at UH Manoa and took the language all the way back to Japan and beyond. I never took either a technical or reading intensive course in college, and because Japanese is completely divergent from anything tested on the GMAT, I have been at an inherent disadvantage from the beginning. Nevertheless, it is not only an important predicter of b-school success, but is also an unavoidable prerequisite.

I now have to take the full gamut of courses: from stats to calculus between now and next fall in order to convince the adcoms that I can handle the rigor of the B1 core courses. This has been, and will continue to be a brutal uphill battle all the way, but here are the results of today's performance:

Sept 2006: 500 Q38/V22

Today: 640 Q42/V35

Nothing to brag about. As a matter of fact, whereas 99% of GMATClub members would use such a score report as toilet paper, I am actually going to squeeze it, with a 3.8 undergrad GPA, for everything it's worth and see if I can convince a few Trans-Elite adcoms. Indeed, my chances are slim, but if I get knocked back or waitlisted, then I have no fear of retaking in spring '07.

If however, by the grace of god and good fortune, I do happen to slip through a crack somewhere, then I would like to donate ALL of my GMAT Prep resources to an economically disadvantaged testaker from a third world country.

Over the course of the last 16 months I have collected and amassed almost every possible GMAT prep resource available. From Arco to Manhattan to Zutto (Japanese prep company), I have a library of books and CDROMs, paper tests, passcodes to question banks, etc... that I want to donate to a somebody from one of the following countries: Sub-Saharan Africa (not including South Africa), Cambodia, Laos, Iraq, or Afganistan. If you are a citizen from one of those countries and can somehow access GMATClub and read this message, and are even struggling to break the 550 barrier, please PM me with your contact details and I will send you everything I have free of charge after the new year. I made this promise in my prayers, so I am committed to helping those who lack the financial resources to make an MBA a reality.

Finally, I would like to extend a special thanks to a few people in particular.

@Praetorian: Thank you for creating this site and bringing together some of the most talented minds on our planet. I will meet you in person one day and shake your hand for all that you have done.

@Laxie: Thank you for all your support over the past year. I still owe you a gift since last summer. By the way, in case you all don't know already, Laxie is a stunning supermodel (with brains)!!!!

@Jon: Your coaching and private messages kept the fire burning after that humiliating defeat last summer. Good luck at Johnson buddy :-D

@Rudy: You (along with Honghu and Kevincan) are undisputably one of the most multifauceted and intelligent people I have ever met. I look forward to communicating with you more in the b-school application forum. Give your mixed retrievers a friendly scratch on the belly for me.

@Dahiya: "Sharp arrow," your math skills are awesome. Best of luck in all your future b-school endeavors.

@Vivek: Give that cute baby girl of your's a peck on the forehead for me. She's gonna be the next Laxie :wink:

@Haas: Thanksfor the software you sent a few months ago! It really helped in these past couple weeks.

@Antmavel: "Mi sasa es su casa" Still waiting for you to come over to Japan before I head back to the states next summer.

@U2Lover: Wax those skiis and do a couple of powder sprays at Kirkwood for me. U2 will score above 80-->90%. Believe in yourself, becuase you are next.

@Tomoko, Ken, Takehisa, and Ryo (my Japanese studdy buddies here in Osaka): Good luck at Emory, Cornell, and Columbia. I love you guys!

@Paul: Stay in touch with the verbal forum because your explanations are unparalleled. We all miss you.

@Comrade Yurik, Jaynayak, Buzz, Karlfurt, AK, Yezz, TeHCM... and many more: Good luck guys! Whatever you need, and however I can help you, just ask. Always glad to be of service :-D

R2 deadlines are around the corner so it's time to start burning up the keyboard.... that is before the powder snow falls :-D

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 [#permalink] New post 17 Nov 2006, 07:16
Congrats!!! :P What an amazing score improvement.
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 [#permalink] New post 17 Nov 2006, 07:31
Hey MATT,

I am so happy for you. You made it. Your hard work is exemplary.
Congratulations :beer

Good luck for your apps. :good

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 [#permalink] New post 17 Nov 2006, 07:56
GMATT73 wrote:

Sept 2006: 500 Q38/V22

Today: 640 Q42/V35

Whereas 99% of the GMATClub members would use such a score report as toilet paper, I am actually going to see if such a score, with a 3.8 undergrad GPA, can possibly catch the eyes of a few Trans/Elite adcoms. My chances are slim, but if I get knocked back or waitlisted, then I will take the test one more time.


Great improvement Matt. Your perseverance is unbelievable. No need for you to make excuses, you should be proud of your score. Besides, I get the feeling that a lot GMATClub members do horribly and do not post their score and many people flat out lie about their scores.

3.8 and 640(with drastic improvement) are very solid.
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 [#permalink] New post 17 Nov 2006, 08:00
Congratulations Matt, you're diverse background and your ability to articulate your thoughts very well, will be a tremendous advantage in your admissions process.

I wish you all the best!
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 [#permalink] New post 17 Nov 2006, 08:00
I'm very glad to have positive news from u. :D :)..... U achieve it :D :)

Congratulations ! :D :D :)

As well, the reaction of all GMATClub members to u impressed me a lot :).... That's something that I will never forget :)

All the best for the next steps :D :)... Where do u plan to apply? :)
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 [#permalink] New post 17 Nov 2006, 08:02
Great acheivement Matt. I really appreciate your hard work and never give up attitude.

I am really happy for you. Hope you get into a school of your preferance.

I have learnt a lot from your posts and I am very thankful to you.

I am taking my GMAT on Monday the 27th. I will let you know once I am done.

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 [#permalink] New post 17 Nov 2006, 09:43
Hi Matt,

I am really happy for you buddy! You are one hardworking soul and I am really glad that your hardwork payed off. Don't worry, I think your GPA and your gmat score is very decent and on top of that you have international work experience. I think your entire app package will be a winning combination.

I took the exam last week and scored a miserable 610 after 3 tries with my lowest 510. I still have to work very hard, though I just don't have the energy to work on it for now... but I really admire your preseverance.

Good luck with everything

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 [#permalink] New post 17 Nov 2006, 10:19
Hi Matt, that is a great increase and my heartiest congratulation! Your GPA is great and to tell you the truth, my flatmate got in LBS with a 640 GMAT! It's now about your counter-weighing factors and how you present it in essay format and at the interview. Your story is a great one and I'm sure it will inspire many in their own quest.

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