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Usage of 'That' vs 'To' [#permalink] New post 05 Aug 2008, 04:25
with subjunctive verbs like request, requires, urge etc when to use " That" and when to use "to"

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I request you to stand - is this correct ??

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Re: Usage of 'That' vs 'To' [#permalink] New post 05 Aug 2008, 06:54
sjgmat wrote:
with subjunctive verbs like request, requires, urge etc when to use " That" and when to use "to"

Please explain.

I request you to stand - is this correct ??

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For subjunctive always use: that + infinite verb (without 'to')


I request you to stand - is this correct ?? it shows a simple tense construction i.e. to + infinite verb but since the word 'request' is there ... it is a subjunctive nad should be written as:

I request that you stand.
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Re: Usage of 'That' vs 'To' [#permalink] New post 06 Aug 2008, 02:34
Please see below question, it has usage of "to" with require

Congress is debating a bill requiring certain employers provide workers with unpaid leave so as to care for sick or newborn children.
(A) provide workers with unpaid leave so as to
(B) to provide workers with unpaid leave so as to
(C) provide workers with unpaid leave in order that they
(D) to provide workers with unpaid leave so that they can
(E) provide workers with unpaid leave and

OA is D
Also D has pronoun error how can we be sure that "they" refers to workers and not employers

Please explain

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Re: Usage of 'That' vs 'To' [#permalink] New post 09 Aug 2008, 11:09
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Please see below question, it has usage of "to" with require

Congress is debating a bill requiring certain employers provide workers with unpaid leave so as to care for sick or newborn children.
(A) provide workers with unpaid leave so as to
(B) to provide workers with unpaid leave so as to
(C) provide workers with unpaid leave in order that they
(D) to provide workers with unpaid leave so that they can
(E) provide workers with unpaid leave and

OA is D
Also D has pronoun error how can we be sure that "they" refers to workers and not employers

Please explain

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Re: Usage of 'That' vs 'To' [#permalink] New post 09 Aug 2008, 12:20
bump on this, i would like to know as well.

D def. seems wrong.

Then again, none of the other options look better. This might be a case where D is the lesser of evils.

I figured a better answer would have been "requires that certain employers provide....to care for...."
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Re: Usage of 'That' vs 'To' [#permalink] New post 09 Aug 2008, 19:51
sjgmat wrote:
Please see below question, it has usage of "to" with require

Congress is debating a bill requiring certain employers provide workers with unpaid leave so as to care for sick or newborn children.
(A) provide workers with unpaid leave so as to
(B) to provide workers with unpaid leave so as to
(C) provide workers with unpaid leave in order that they
(D) to provide workers with unpaid leave so that they can
(E) provide workers with unpaid leave and

OA is D
Also D has pronoun error how can we be sure that "they" refers to workers and not employers

Please explain

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Requires :to place under an obligation or necessity
requires X to do Y
eg:
The situation requires me to take immediate action.

this is a correct usage

there is one more usage of requires as in subjunctive mood where their is no obligation but just a wish or command or emotions or possibility .here we use requires that X be Y
example :
Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario requires of both public and private employers that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are usually held by men.

this is a possibility or rather a wish

In the given scenario since the congress is debating strongly o the bill and hence its just not a possibility but the requirement of the bill or obligation of the bill

I hope this helps


hence requires X to do Y is apt here
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Re: Usage of 'That' vs 'To' [#permalink] New post 09 Aug 2008, 21:04
Hi Spriya,

good explanation. I agree with your distinction between the idiom vs. subjunctive.

However, I'm not quite sure how the original example differs from your example.

In one, we're talking about a bill that "requires", in the other we're talking about legislation that "requires".

I don't see how one is a necessity and the other a wish.

spriya wrote:

Requires :to place under an obligation or necessity
requires X to do Y
eg:
The situation requires me to take immediate action.

this is a correct usage

there is one more usage of requires as in subjunctive mood where their is no obligation but just a wish or command or emotions or possibility .here we use requires that X be Y
example :
Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario requires of both public and private employers that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are usually held by men.

this is a possibility or rather a wish

In the given scenario since the congress is debating strongly o the bill and hence its just not a possibility but the requirement of the bill or obligation of the bill

I hope this helps


hence requires X to do Y is apt here

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Re: Usage of 'That' vs 'To' [#permalink] New post 10 Aug 2008, 03:53
PatrickBateman wrote:
Hi Spriya,

good explanation. I agree with your distinction between the idiom vs. subjunctive.

However, I'm not quite sure how the original example differs from your example.

In one, we're talking about a bill that "requires", in the other we're talking about legislation that "requires".

I don't see how one is a necessity and the other a wish.

spriya wrote:

Requires :to place under an obligation or necessity
requires X to do Y
eg:
The situation requires me to take immediate action.

this is a correct usage

there is one more usage of requires as in subjunctive mood where their is no obligation but just a wish or command or emotions or possibility .here we use requires that X be Y
example :
Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario requires of both public and private employers that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are usually held by men.

this is a possibility or rather a wish

In the given scenario since the congress is debating strongly o the bill and hence its just not a possibility but the requirement of the bill or obligation of the bill

I hope this helps


hence requires X to do Y is apt here


very good question ,now i think i ca explain this :
The situation requires me to take immediate action. -> puts obligation on me
The situation requires that immediate action be taken . -> wishes that or wants that action be taken

both are correct but differs in mood second says wants somethig to happen ,first says wants something to be done by someone.
As posted you in ur previous post ,
"requires that certain employers provide....to care for...." in the current scenario would have been correct but when compared to "to" would not have scored .
like here congress debates for a bill which has the obligation that employers to provide employment

As u said in the example ,y not requires to suit like scene in previos sentence?

Legislation in the Canadian province of Ontario requires of both public and private employers that pay be the same for jobs historically held by women as for jobs requiring comparable skill that are usually held by men.

legislation expects employers to provide jobs.

Anyways still anyone has a better explanation and put light on these two examples it will be a great help.Since if i get two such sentences in an option together will go by intuition and tone of the sentence.
Explanations welcome !!!!
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Re: Usage of 'That' vs 'To'   [#permalink] 10 Aug 2008, 03:53
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