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Verbal - need help [#permalink] New post 10 Oct 2012, 12:29
I searched for other posts to see if it had been asked before. Didn't find one.

I am pretty new to GMAT (4th week since I started studying). I starting with Manhattan GMAT. I am currently studying the Sentence correction guide. I am overwhelmed with detail. If feel its packed with all the info. I seem to understand the usage (say modifier or pronoun etc) as it make sense and some some as just a point to keep in mind 9as I may have been using it wrong). I remember when I read them and may be 1 day after. That's the max. When I read a question or so, here or somewhere else, its seems NEW info.

How do you keep up with such packed up info. Esp the sentence correction strategy guide. I know practice and revising helps. Just want to know is this waht everyone does. Going thru the material once (or max twice) is what the time I may have (with a 3 month time-frame for test). Is that anything wrong I am doing here? Just wanted to make sure I am approaching this correctly or am I going to be plain blank on the test day and choosing answers random or out of frustration?

Any help or words of wisdom who have had the same pain and found means to overcome the same, is much appraciated.

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Verbal - help needed [#permalink] New post 10 Oct 2012, 14:06
Hi All,

I am pretty new to GMAT (3rd-4th week since I started studying). I starting with Manhattan GMAT. I am currently studying the Sentence correction guide. I am overwhelmed with detail. If feel its packed with all the info. I seem to understand the usage (say modifier or pronoun etc) as it make sense and some some as just a point to keep in mind 9as I may have been using it wrong). I remember when I read them and may be 1 day after. That's the max. When I read a question or so, here or somewhere else, its seems NEW info.

How do you keep up with such packed up info. Esp the sentence correction strategy guide. I know practice and revising helps. Just want to know if this is what everyone does or go thru and just overcome those. Going thru the material once (or max twice) is what the time I may have (with a 3 month time-frame for test). Is that anything wrong I am doing here? Just wanted to make sure I am approaching this correctly or am I going to be plain blank on the test day and choosing answers random or out of frustration?

Any help or words of wisdom who have had the same pain and found means to overcome the same, is much appreciated.

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Re: Verbal - help needed [#permalink] New post 10 Oct 2012, 15:39
Here are three useful strategies for you that should help:

1) Focus on learning the most commonly-tested points of GMAT grammar, which are Subject-Verb Agreement, Pronouns, Modifiers, Idioms, Parallel Construction, and Verb Tenses. This will narrow your focus and help you get more right answers, since these are the rules that you can expect to see most often. Don't get lost in the weeds of arcane English grammar rules that make textbook writers sound smart but that appear in less than 1% of the sentence corrections you're even likely to see;

2) Learn strategies like the "Bracketing Technique" and other methodologies for weeding out the confusing aspects of a sentence, zeroing in on exactly what you should be evaluating from a grammar standpoint, and eliminating clearly wrong answer choices. Correct methodology is as much a part of effectively tackling GMAT Sentence Corrections as are the grammar rules themselves;

3) Pattern recognition is huge! You need to teach yourself how to look at a sentence and QUICKLY recognize what major points of grammar are being testing. For example, on the first read-through of a sentence, you should have a pretty good sense of whether pronouns are at issue, or misplaced modifiers, or subject-verb agreement, etc. This is a skill that can be learned and practiced.

I hope this helps!
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Re: Verbal - need help [#permalink] New post 10 Oct 2012, 21:56
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Hi - welcome to GMAT Club.

Many people end up in your situation and there are a few ways out of it but most involve hard work.
1. You can choose to create notes - a great way to memorize content while you are writing it down (the fact of taking notes is what helps the most for your brain to process it)
2. You can slow down
3. You can take a step back and get MGMAT Verbal Foundations

Regardless of the path (would recommend making notes either in a notebook or on a computer), I would also get the MGMAT Roadmap book - it is quite helpful with similar questions and best practices.

Let me know if anything else!
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Time your practice if you are doing it in the books.
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Re: Verbal - need help [#permalink] New post 11 Oct 2012, 07:07
Thanks for the inputs.
After I posted the message, I realized its not in the right forum category. So added one under Verbal section. Can you remove this post from this Annoucement section. I will move your reply there.

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Hi - welcome to GMAT Club.

Many people end up in your situation and there are a few ways out of it but most involve hard work.
1. You can choose to create notes - a great way to memorize content while you are writing it down (the fact of taking notes is what helps the most for your brain to process it)
2. You can slow down
3. You can take a step back and get MGMAT Verbal Foundations

Regardless of the path (would recommend making notes either in a notebook or on a computer), I would also get the MGMAT Roadmap book - it is quite helpful with similar questions and best practices.

Let me know if anything else!
BB

P.S. Keep an error log and save all the questions you get wrong.
Time your practice if you are doing it in the books.
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Re: Verbal - help needed [#permalink] New post 11 Oct 2012, 07:16
Thanks for the suggestion. I am definitely getting lost between the weeds.
I see the importance of Pattern recognition. I hear enough about it throughout the guide as well. I hope I get them thru practice eventually. At this point, when i see a sentence, I am spotting the error out of intuition or usage (my understanding or as how I have been using). Nothing runs thru my mind as to what I read. Every sentence carries the subject verb, linking verb etc. So Not readily able to apply what I read, but if it sounds weird I look closer. Not sure if its the correct approach or should I focus on theory (not to mention the vast rules and exceptions).

I think I am overwhelming myself. I need to take it easy and keep practicing and eventually I will get it or may work as I expect (or want it to, as its lots easier than applying theory), i.e. those that I think that are correct usage get corrected and when I read I know whats wrong and use the theory (or force my mind to remember the theory at this point alone) only where two sentences contend for correct.

Thanks again for the inputs I hope the thread helps others as well. I will update as I come out of this cloudy state.



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Here are three useful strategies for you that should help:

1) Focus on learning the most commonly-tested points of GMAT grammar, which are Subject-Verb Agreement, Pronouns, Modifiers, Idioms, Parallel Construction, and Verb Tenses. This will narrow your focus and help you get more right answers, since these are the rules that you can expect to see most often. Don't get lost in the weeds of arcane English grammar rules that make textbook writers sound smart but that appear in less than 1% of the sentence corrections you're even likely to see;

2) Learn strategies like the "Bracketing Technique" and other methodologies for weeding out the confusing aspects of a sentence, zeroing in on exactly what you should be evaluating from a grammar standpoint, and eliminating clearly wrong answer choices. Correct methodology is as much a part of effectively tackling GMAT Sentence Corrections as are the grammar rules themselves;

3) Pattern recognition is huge! You need to teach yourself how to look at a sentence and QUICKLY recognize what major points of grammar are being testing. For example, on the first read-through of a sentence, you should have a pretty good sense of whether pronouns are at issue, or misplaced modifiers, or subject-verb agreement, etc. This is a skill that can be learned and practiced.

I hope this helps!

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Re: Verbal - help needed [#permalink] New post 11 Oct 2012, 07:35
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Dear Rich,

I would recommend a slightly different approach. GMAT SC is now baser more on meaning rather than pure grammar. . As per OG, the Sentence Correction section tests your ability to identify a correct and effective expression to express the given meaning. (Refer page 651 and 656 in OG12). The original meaning is central to this exercise. I would recommend that you take our free trial. If you register today, you will also get an invite to a free session on "How to master GMAT SC". This session takes place on Saturday.

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Re: Verbal - help needed [#permalink] New post 11 Oct 2012, 08:09
Thanks Rajat. Thanks for reinstating the core - Meaning emphasizing the correctness and effectiveness. Theoretical grammar can be overwhelming to remember (just from thory point and not from practical stand point). Exception on those theoretical usage doesn't make it any easy.

I have seen your other articles in this forum. Thanks for those. I will register with e-GMAT as I see the need.


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Dear Rich,

I would recommend a slightly different approach. GMAT SC is now baser more on meaning rather than pure grammar. . As per OG, the Sentence Correction section tests your ability to identify a correct and effective expression to express the given meaning. (Refer page 651 and 656 in OG12). The original meaning is central to this exercise. I would recommend that you take our free trial. If you register today, you will also get an invite to a free session on "How to master GMAT SC". This session takes place on Saturday.

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Re: Verbal - help needed [#permalink] New post 11 Oct 2012, 08:37
Before posting I posted the same concern in the wrong section of the forum. I have asked the admin to move/remove.
BB responded to that thread with below response. It could help others as well.
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Thanks BB for the precise to the point answers.
1. I am writing notes as I read the chapters. Though while writing notes I feel like I am wasting time, rewriting on another sheet what's already available in the book (I could easily underline or so). I pray/hope its of use at some point. Maybe I am jotting down too much.
2. I am seriously thinking about it. Even the mere thought is so good. When I started GMAT, I liked it, enjoyed solving math and found interesting when I found errors and learnt how to solve it. Things changed when I took SC book. Too dry and too detailed. Don't know what state I will be when I do verbal (after 2.5hrs). least I want is hastily click a choice to get over with the test. Will see. I started altering between verbal and mat chapters, to add some interest.
3. Will do so, after I feel that way, after scoring some practice problems. More I think about it, I am just a mediocre person getting lost in the cloud of detail. I think I need to read the material and reinforce my practical understanding , rather than following or trying to apply theory blindly. I probably should practically read the sentence and spot the error (where it sound weird) and see answer choice and eliminate again those that sounds wrongs and apply theory among the one that contends. I am afraid to take this approach fearing GMAT may trick me with sentence that may sound correct. May be over practice I will correct those.

I have one more question abt pace of completion. How much time do people take to complete a chapter, specifically in SC guide. I may be over pacing as BB says. I try to cram them in 1-2 sittings (usually 2-3 hr time per sitting). Is that normal. Without that I don;t see how I can be ready in 3 month time frame. I would like to have GMAT done in 3 month time frame.

Will definitely follow or take effort to make a change and post result if it helps me overcome this cloudy state.
Meanwhile, other let em know if you had been or currently here and what remedies you take.

Thanks




bb wrote:
Hi - welcome to GMAT Club.

Many people end up in your situation and there are a few ways out of it but most involve hard work.
1. You can choose to create notes - a great way to memorize content while you are writing it down (the fact of taking notes is what helps the most for your brain to process it)
2. You can slow down
3. You can take a step back and get MGMAT Verbal Foundations

Regardless of the path (would recommend making notes either in a notebook or on a computer), I would also get the MGMAT Roadmap book - it is quite helpful with similar questions and best practices.

Let me know if anything else!
BB

P.S. Keep an error log and save all the questions you get wrong.
Time your practice if you are doing it in the books.
Re: Verbal - help needed   [#permalink] 11 Oct 2012, 08:37
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