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i am posting link to 2 debriefs
which are extremes of good luck and badluck

Defitinion of Goodluck
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/my- ... 13766.html
Definition of Badluck
http://www.manhattangmat.com/forums/hug ... 12739.html

my debrief got-destroyed-610-from-119906.html

my question is that does this test have a serious LUCK factor
from the above posts and in fact my debrief also it is evident that there is a LUCK factor in this test

and if yes then please share how can we defeat it
it is notable that most of the variation comes in verbal part only

please share this is very important for all test takers

you can post you experience as well
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Re: Weird variation between preptests and RealGmat [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2011, 21:38
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Are you looking for something like this? gmat-s-luck-factor-95184.html

There is about a 40 point variance in the GMAT scores (so depending on your luck, it can be quite a difference - 660 vs 700).
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Re: Weird variation between preptests and RealGmat [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2011, 21:53
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Are you looking for something like this? gmat-s-luck-factor-95184.html

There is about a 40 point variance in the GMAT scores (so depending on your luck, it can be quite a difference - 660 vs 700).


Dear BB
Thanks for the kudos and reply
but with all respects once GMAC says 40% then we can conclude that atleast 40% variation is possible
but on the other hands it is notable that
1 this variation is huge for VERBAL section
2 the variation for the above two guys is much more than 40
3 I am very sure that the LUCK factor is much more than just 40 :? :?
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Re: Weird variation between preptests and RealGmat [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2011, 22:14
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Sorry, not 40% but 40 points.
40 points is the standard error of the test. there are other factors such as stress/fatigue/expectations/etc and it is not uncommon to score higher by just taking it easy for a month.

We have seen similar reports/stories such as here: my-journey-from-710-to-770-lessons-learnt-91386.html

there are a number of others.
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Re: Weird variation between preptests and RealGmat [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2011, 22:18
I'm seriously scared after reading this.I mean, a person puts in immense amount of hardwork and after that also there's no guarantee that he'll get the result he desires. This is unfair. :-D
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Re: Weird variation between preptests and RealGmat [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2011, 22:29
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I'm seriously scared after reading this.I mean, a person puts in immense amount of hardwork and after that also there's no guarantee that he'll get the result he desires. This is unfair. :-D


And i am more worried by the last SMILEY in your post........ :? :?

please give your feedback how can i fight with this luck factor
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Re: Weird variation between preptests and RealGmat [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2011, 22:32
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invincibleforce wrote:
I'm seriously scared after reading this.I mean, a person puts in immense amount of hardwork and after that also there's no guarantee that he'll get the result he desires. This is unfair. :-D


And i am more worried by the last SMILEY in your post........ :? :?

please give your feedback how can i fight with this luck factor


Hehe.I just put the smiley there so as to remove the tone of scariness in my post :) I don't think that I'd be able to give any feedback because I haven't taken the GMAT and don't know what luck has in store for me :D
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Re: Weird variation between preptests and RealGmat [#permalink] New post 31 Aug 2011, 22:45
bb wrote:
Sorry, not 40% but 40 points.
40 points is the standard error of the test. there are other factors such as stress/fatigue/expectations/etc and it is not uncommon to score higher by just taking it easy for a month.

We have seen similar reports/stories such as here: my-journey-from-710-to-770-lessons-learnt-91386.html

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Dear BB
Thanks for the kudos and reply
but with all respects once GMAC says 40 points then we can conclude that at least 40 points variation is possible
but on the other hands it is notable that
1 this variation is huge for VERBAL section
2 the variation for the above two guys is much more than 40
3 I am very sure that the LUCK factor is much more than just 40... :? :?
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Re: Weird variation between preptests and RealGmat [#permalink] New post 01 Sep 2011, 02:07
Warlock007 wrote:
bb wrote:
Sorry, not 40% but 40 points.
40 points is the standard error of the test. there are other factors such as stress/fatigue/expectations/etc and it is not uncommon to score higher by just taking it easy for a month.

We have seen similar reports/stories such as here: my-journey-from-710-to-770-lessons-learnt-91386.html

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Dear BB
Thanks for the kudos and reply
but with all respects once GMAC says 40 points then we can conclude that at least 40 points variation is possible
but on the other hands it is notable that
1 this variation is huge for VERBAL section
2 the variation for the above two guys is much more than 40
3 I am very sure that the LUCK factor is much more than just 40... :? :?

I beg to defer on the bolded part- it should be at most 40 points. also variation should decrease as you move up the score ladder, as in suppose you are at 600 level then point variation could be more than if had been @ 700. Not that it's relevant here but I would mentions any way- I never got more than 640 in alll Gmat Prep tests (evben got a 580 2 days before the exam) but in real exam I scored 680 (way different no :?: ). So in nutshell I feel how you take the whole exam mentally also factors in very well in your final score!
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Re: Weird variation between preptests and RealGmat [#permalink] New post 01 Sep 2011, 02:15
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I beg to defer on the bolded part- it should be at most 40 points. also variation should decrease as you move up the score ladder, as in suppose you are at 600 level then point variation could be more than if had been @ 700. Not that it's relevant here but I would mentions any way- I never got more than 640 in alll Gmat Prep tests (evben got a 580 2 days before the exam) but in real exam I scored 680 (way different no :?: ). So in nutshell I feel how you take the whole exam mentally also factors in very well in your final score!


Dear yogesh
you were lucky that even after getting 640 you had the courage to write the exam
and you really got a 680 which is 640+40=680

we are more interested in knowing
what exactly you feel that might be the reason of this hike
1 did your intelligence increased abruptly?
2 did you find anyone section particularly easy than all prep materials
3 m sure much of the variation in scaled score must have been in verbal if yen then please en light us.. :) :)
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Re: Weird variation between preptests and RealGmat [#permalink] New post 01 Sep 2011, 02:16
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invincibleforce wrote:
I'm seriously scared after reading this.I mean, a person puts in immense amount of hardwork and after that also there's no guarantee that he'll get the result he desires. This is unfair. :-D


And i am more worried by the last SMILEY in your post........ :? :?

please give your feedback how can i fight with this luck factor


If I were in your shoes I would just discount any "luck" factor from my mind for the time being and work on problem bit by bit- There is no fight as such, have confidence in yourself (it's a basic and a very essential requirement).
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Re: Weird variation between preptests and RealGmat [#permalink] New post 01 Sep 2011, 02:25
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Warlock007 wrote:
invincibleforce wrote:
I'm seriously scared after reading this.I mean, a person puts in immense amount of hardwork and after that also there's no guarantee that he'll get the result he desires. This is unfair. :-D


And i am more worried by the last SMILEY in your post........ :? :?

please give your feedback how can i fight with this luck factor


If I were in your shoes I would just discount any "luck" factor from my mind for the time being and work on problem bit by bit- There is no fight as such, have confidence in yourself (it's a basic and a very essential requirement).


Dear yogesh
when i looked at the screen that last time i saw 600 and this time i am seeing a 610
my face was blank as if somebody has just slapped me tight

I wish nobody get to face this situation in GMAT
but anyway you were lucky and brave that you went for the test even at a score of 640 you can celebrete
btw when did u took the test
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Re: Weird variation between preptests and RealGmat [#permalink] New post 01 Sep 2011, 02:26
Agree with Yogesh. Don't think it would be a productive use of your time to stress to much about the luck factor. Remember, it can work both ways and its not something you can really do much about.

Just focus on getting your fundamentals strong, soothing your nerves, and improving your test taking skills. Eventually you'll get there.
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Re: Weird variation between preptests and RealGmat [#permalink] New post 01 Sep 2011, 02:28
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Agree with Yogesh. Don't think it would be a productive use of your time to stress to much about the luck factor. Remember, it can work both ways and its not something you can really do much about.

Just focus on getting your fundamentals strong, soothing your nerves, and improving your test taking skills. Eventually you'll get there.


Yeah dear
we are just trying to prepare ourselves for the worst with the luck factor
hard work is not at all replaceable
thats why m asking to people who got score different than their mean score of all mock tests
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Re: Weird variation between preptests and RealGmat [#permalink] New post 01 Sep 2011, 02:34
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yogesh1984 wrote:
I beg to defer on the bolded part- it should be at most 40 points. also variation should decrease as you move up the score ladder, as in suppose you are at 600 level then point variation could be more than if had been @ 700. Not that it's relevant here but I would mentions any way- I never got more than 640 in alll Gmat Prep tests (evben got a 580 2 days before the exam) but in real exam I scored 680 (way different no :?: ). So in nutshell I feel how you take the whole exam mentally also factors in very well in your final score!


Dear yogesh
you were lucky that even after getting 640 you had the courage to write the exam
and you really got a 680 which is 640+40=680
- As I told earlier I would not like to give more credit to luck here. If you can believe me- it was self confidence that I can deliver better, that's all
we are more interested in knowing
what exactly you feel that might be the reason of this hike
1 did your intelligence increased abruptly? - No way!
2 did you find anyone section particularly easy than all prep materials - Interesting Q (let me try)- Quant, yeah prob a little lower than I had expected (but then that could be becuase I had gone through some tough questions from the GmtaClub- kudos to Bunuel) Verbal- No here I got the similar level of questions
3 m sure much of the variation in scaled score must have been in verbal if yen then please en light us.. :) :)
- Yeah you are right here! probably the best scaled I had in verbal was 29 but at test day I got 34- The reason I could narrow down were many: giving prep test before exam was very crucial IMO- I could realze which point I am faltering!
1- In verbal secion I would go till 20 Q's with not more than 3-4 mistakes but then I feel I used to get mentally dried up by this point and concequently become less efficient!
2- In second, third RC I used to falter more (40-50% accuracy, nothing related to my abilty of answering the question but just distraction after Q 20 in verbal part).
3- As mentioned in point 2, if you flater on RC- more likely than not you are going to get screwed up royally even the questions coming after that RC passage ( makes a good 40-50 points difference and I feel this was the difference I could make at the exam day- Though you are free to attribute this to luck factor, I would not be able to oppose :wink: )

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Re: Weird variation between preptests and RealGmat [#permalink] New post 01 Sep 2011, 02:39
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Great insight Yogesh

please don't take LUCK factor otherwise bro... 8-) 8-)
m just asking to help guys like me.. :) :)
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Re: Weird variation between preptests and RealGmat [#permalink] New post 01 Sep 2011, 02:41
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Great insight Yogesh

please don't take LUCK factor otherwise bro... 8-) 8-)
m just asking to help guys like me.. :) :)
nothing personal
i hope you understand :) :)


Not at all, it's a good sharing plateform, so every one benefits with such discussions!
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Re: Weird variation between preptests and RealGmat [#permalink] New post 01 Sep 2011, 03:05
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Great insight Yogesh

please don't take LUCK factor otherwise bro... 8-) 8-)
m just asking to help guys like me.. :) :)
nothing personal
i hope you understand :) :)


Not at all, it's a good sharing plateform, so every one benefits with such discussions!


Bro my conclusion is
that you should be ready to end verbal with 3-4 mistakes overall

so that even is all 10 experimental questions eat away only correct responses (which is so rare)
then also you will end up with a good score
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I would not mind with 0 mistake :wink:, but idea is too have as few mistakes as possible and holding the nerve till whole exam is over!
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