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Re: Wharton 2013 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 20 Feb 2013, 15:46
Good luck to those who have interviews coming up. Definitely a cool experience.

Quick question, I've read somewhere that Wharton interviews about 40% of its applicants...sounds a bit high, no? Based on the 2014 class profile (http://www.wharton.upenn.edu/mba/studen ... rofile.cfm), that equates to ~2,500 interviewees! Using historical yield (~70%) and class size (~850), that would equate to an acceptance rate of ~50% for interviewees.
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Re: Wharton 2013 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 20 Feb 2013, 16:33
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Just chiming in.

I really do not think there is much to fret about until you receive final notification and I do not think it is worth any amount of energy speculating on their process, motivations, or trying to compute junk math to justify your beliefs. If it makes you feel better to feel one way or another, then disregard this post and endure for another 48 hours. I will say that checking your e-mail inbox and ApplyYourself every 5 minutes will not make you feel better and it does not change the outcome.

About myself. I'm not special. I'm no genius. I never attended an Ivy League, nor has anyone in my family. I'm neither rich nor poor. I never climbed Mt. Everest or competed in the Olympic games. I have fairly even stats compared to others: 3.6 GPA from a state school and a 680 GMAT. Not bad, but not spectacular. I'm Asian, which probably doesn't help, and I'm probably even more dull and lame personality-wise compared to my fellow Asian candidates (ha). I'm male (moar lame), I'm also well over 30 (yay...). To make things even more interesting, I was laid off repeatedly over the last few years.

But despite all that, I have applied 3 times to Wharton and I've been invited to interview on the last day on each of the previous attempts. I didn't get accepted but take what you will from it. I'm at least glad they saw to give me a chance in the past years despite my being "non-special" from any dimension however you look at it.

The Wharton admissions team have stated, year after year, that the order and timing in which you receive the interview has no bearing on your "standings". I believe that. I also believe that 80-90% of candidates would be qualified to make up their class composition. I've attended their program and I've even hired graduates to work under me as their direct manager. They're just normal people like the rest of us.

It's frustrating, sure, but it's also pure mathematics. No one is entitled to go to Wharton, nor is any hard-working, accomplished, individual more or less deserving to enter a prestigious program. There are simply more of us than they can handle, and like any overloaded program, they must turn down an overwhelming majority of their applicants. It's how life works, and even MBA graduates - Wharton included - face the same hurdle again once they are done.

And in the end, not going to Wharton or any other MBA program is NOT the end of the world. Take it from someone who has tried over and over again and failed in every attempt (over 20 times and counting). It's not the end of the world. Despite running in to many personal and professional roadblocks, many of which were just bad circumstance, I've managed to become a better person despite not going to Wharton or other programs. I used to absolutely hate the application process, but after a while, I view it as an annual fun activity in which it forces me to write better. If nothing else, I feel like I've been a far better writer and communicator after going through the process more times than I can remember.

For those who won't make it, move on, and try again next time. Getting depressed over not winning a lottery ticket, however, is not worth the self-torment and hassle.

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Re: Wharton 2013 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 20 Feb 2013, 21:03
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You made my day!
This has been the best post I have ever seen over the last couple of years, apart from Bunuel's explanations ;)

Kudos to you and your never-say-die spirit. i learned a lot from the post and am sure we all have learned from the application process.
Good luck everyone for next steps :)

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Re: Wharton 2013 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 20 Feb 2013, 21:26
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@Wibble

You made my day!
This has been the best post I have ever seen over the last couple of years, apart from Bunuel's explanations ;)

Kudos to you and your never-say-die spirit. i learned a lot from the post and am sure we all have learned from the application process.
Good luck everyone for next steps :)

Cheers!


I agree to this. This post lifted my spirits. Thanks wibble
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Re: Wharton 2013 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 21 Feb 2013, 07:20
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It's not over til its over. Invites still go out on the last day!



If I'm not mistaken, MBAover30 got his wharton invite on the last day. Not quite sure though if invites go out at the same time as the dings.

Either way, I'll be surprised if more than 10% of invites are pending.

You are mistaken. MBAOver30 received his Wharton invite during the 3rd or 4th week of the invite window, at least a week before the final day. However, Wharton has historically sent interview invites through the last day of the window. Best of luck to everyone.


I think he's mistaking your Wharton last gasp invite story with MBAOver30's story.
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Re: Wharton 2013 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 21 Feb 2013, 08:19
A question to those interviewed in Round 1 - were you allowed to use a sheet of paper and a pen during the team based discussion?
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Re: Wharton 2013 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 21 Feb 2013, 09:34
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Just chiming in.

I really do not think there is much to fret about until you receive final notification and I do not think it is worth any amount of energy speculating on their process, motivations, or trying to compute junk math to justify your beliefs. If it makes you feel better to feel one way or another, then disregard this post and endure for another 48 hours. I will say that checking your e-mail inbox and ApplyYourself every 5 minutes will not make you feel better and it does not change the outcome.

About myself. I'm not special. I'm no genius. I never attended an Ivy League, nor has anyone in my family. I'm neither rich nor poor. I never climbed Mt. Everest or competed in the Olympic games. I have fairly even stats compared to others: 3.6 GPA from a state school and a 680 GMAT. Not bad, but not spectacular. I'm Asian, which probably doesn't help, and I'm probably even more dull and lame personality-wise compared to my fellow Asian candidates (ha). I'm male (moar lame), I'm also well over 30 (yay...). To make things even more interesting, I was laid off repeatedly over the last few years.

But despite all that, I have applied 3 times to Wharton and I've been invited to interview on the last day on each of the previous attempts. I didn't get accepted but take what you will from it. I'm at least glad they saw to give me a chance in the past years despite my being "non-special" from any dimension however you look at it.

The Wharton admissions team have stated, year after year, that the order and timing in which you receive the interview has no bearing on your "standings". I believe that. I also believe that 80-90% of candidates would be qualified to make up their class composition. I've attended their program and I've even hired graduates to work under me as their direct manager. They're just normal people like the rest of us.

It's frustrating, sure, but it's also pure mathematics. No one is entitled to go to Wharton, nor is any hard-working, accomplished, individual more or less deserving to enter a prestigious program. There are simply more of us than they can handle, and like any overloaded program, they must turn down an overwhelming majority of their applicants. It's how life works, and even MBA graduates - Wharton included - face the same hurdle again once they are done.

And in the end, not going to Wharton or any other MBA program is NOT the end of the world. Take it from someone who has tried over and over again and failed in every attempt (over 20 times and counting). It's not the end of the world. Despite running in to many personal and professional roadblocks, many of which were just bad circumstance, I've managed to become a better person despite not going to Wharton or other programs. I used to absolutely hate the application process, but after a while, I view it as an annual fun activity in which it forces me to write better. If nothing else, I feel like I've been a far better writer and communicator after going through the process more times than I can remember.

For those who won't make it, move on, and try again next time. Getting depressed over not winning a lottery ticket, however, is not worth the self-torment and hassle.

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PREACH, dude!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Wharton 2013 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 21 Feb 2013, 09:41
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Good luck to those who have interviews coming up. Definitely a cool experience.

Quick question, I've read somewhere that Wharton interviews about 40% of its applicants...sounds a bit high, no? Based on the 2014 class profile (http://www.wharton.upenn.edu/mba/studen ... rofile.cfm), that equates to ~2,500 interviewees! Using historical yield (~70%) and class size (~850), that would equate to an acceptance rate of ~50% for interviewees.


I'm pretty sure your numbers are correct. I've seen the stats somewhere (can't remember where, but I know it was a credible source - i.e., NOT a random thread comment) that Wharton interviews 40% and ultimately accepts 20% (i.e., 50% of those interviewed). Sounds like the numbers are on your side ;-)
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Re: Wharton 2013 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 21 Feb 2013, 09:46
ilya.b wrote:
A question to those interviewed in Round 1 - were you allowed to use a sheet of paper and a pen during the team based discussion?



Yes you are allowed.
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Allowed...but it'll look pretty weird.
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Made the tough decision this week to turn down my offer from Wharton. After the admit weekend, I just got the feeling it wasn't the right school for me. The more I evaluate the options, the more Haas seems like the better school given my interest in start ups, tech and entrepreneurship (and more importantly, experience in these fields - everyone I met *wanted* to start a tech company but not much shared experience in actually doing it). To be honest I still haven't decided if I'm going to b-school at all bc the start up I'm involved with is going so well but if I do go, Haas will be the one.

In any case, Wharton seemed like a wonderful community and school, and the one thing they kept saying during admit weekend was that Wharton is amazing, but not the right school for everyone, and if you think it's not for you, that's ok and to listen to that instinct!

Hopefully my decision means a place opens up for one of you, best of luck to everyone still waiting to hear back and congrats to all admits and members of the class of 2015 :)
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Re: Wharton 2013 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 21 Feb 2013, 14:24
Brace yourself, ladies. This blog's about to heat up. Wharton's adcom is finally putting down their wii controllers to do some work.
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Re: Wharton 2013 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 21 Feb 2013, 14:27
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Brace yourself, ladies. This blog's about to heat up. Wharton's adcom is finally putting down their wii controllers to do some work.


Uh, not much work on adcom's part. Tomorrow is pretty much all dings, with maybe a few invites.
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Re: Wharton 2013 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 21 Feb 2013, 14:30
I didn't say they'd break a sweat..
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Re: Wharton 2013 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 21 Feb 2013, 15:06
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Brace yourself, ladies. This blog's about to heat up. Wharton's adcom is finally putting down their wii controllers to do some work.


Uh, not much work on adcom's part. Tomorrow is pretty much all dings, with maybe a few invites.

I have heard thAt 10% of invites go on the last day. So guys unless we get a official ding keep the hope.
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Re: Wharton 2013 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 21 Feb 2013, 15:19
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Tyuhfdvj wrote:
Brace yourself, ladies. This blog's about to heat up. Wharton's adcom is finally putting down their wii controllers to do some work.


Uh, not much work on adcom's part. Tomorrow is pretty much all dings, with maybe a few invites.

I have heard thAt 10% of invites go on the last day. So guys unless we get a official ding keep the hope.


If this is true do invites and dings go out at the same time, or do invites go out a bit earlier?
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Re: Wharton 2013 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 21 Feb 2013, 15:29
They send invites and ding in the same wave ,I mean that's the trend unless they deviate.
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Re: Wharton 2013 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 21 Feb 2013, 15:31
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They send invites and ding in the same wave ,I mean that's the trend unless they deviate.



Interesting. This year is weird because in previous years Wharton sent invites on just 2 days, sort of like what HBS does.
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Re: Wharton 2013 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 21 Feb 2013, 15:43
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They send invites and ding in the same wave ,I mean that's the trend unless they deviate.



Interesting. This year is weird because in previous years Wharton sent invites on just 2 days, sort of like what HBS does.


That would have been so much better.this wait sucks.
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Re: Wharton 2013 - Calling All Applicants [#permalink] New post 21 Feb 2013, 15:56
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Truegmat wrote:
They send invites and ding in the same wave ,I mean that's the trend unless they deviate.



Interesting. This year is weird because in previous years Wharton sent invites on just 2 days, sort of like what HBS does.


That would have been so much better.this wait sucks.



Best of luck tomorrow. Just log in right away and get it over with. But 10% is actually higher than I had thought; perhaps there is a big invite wave tomorrow since very few went out this week (at least if GMAT club is an accurate indicator).
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