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Wharton Grammar Discussion [#permalink] New post 26 Oct 2010, 06:30
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Will the invites be a mass mail on Friday? If so, what time are we thinking?

Also, is this like Harvard where honestly most of the invitations will happen on the first day? Or will it be split evenly between the 29th and Nov. 5?


A Haiku for your questions:

the frog waits
for a pale moon to rise
Osaka sleeps
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Re: Calling all Wharton 2011 Applicants [#permalink] New post 26 Oct 2010, 06:33
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Will the invites be a mass mail on Friday? If so, what time are we thinking?

Also, is this like Harvard where honestly most of the invitations will happen on the first day? Or will it be split evenly between the 29th and Nov. 5?


A Haiku for your questions:

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5-7-5 dude...

Haikus are awesome
Sometimes they do not make sense
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Re: Calling all Wharton 2011 Applicants [#permalink] New post 26 Oct 2010, 06:35
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5-7-5 dude...


Nope - Haikus are not syllable-based; they are based on moras. What this means is that the 5-7-5 distinction is useless. 17 total = good. :)
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Re: Calling all Wharton 2011 Applicants [#permalink] New post 26 Oct 2010, 06:39
lol. You guys are awesome.
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Re: Calling all Wharton 2011 Applicants [#permalink] New post 27 Oct 2010, 05:57
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My theme is also about "history never repeats, but it surely rhymes."

Oh man I used a line in my essay that is almost exactly like that. Bummer. Doubt that will change anything but looks like our essays aren't as "unique" as we'd hoped.
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Re: Calling all Wharton 2011 Applicants [#permalink] New post 27 Oct 2010, 05:59
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My theme is also about "history never repeats, but it surely rhymes."

Oh man I used a line in my essay that is almost exactly like that. Bummer. Doubt that will change anything but looks like our essays aren't as "unique" as we'd hoped.


pet peeve of mine....unique is binary. something's unique or it's not. you can't be sorta one-of-a-kind....
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Wharton Applicant Grammar Discussion [#permalink] New post 27 Oct 2010, 06:05
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My theme is also about "history never repeats, but it surely rhymes."

Oh man I used a line in my essay that is almost exactly like that. Bummer. Doubt that will change anything but looks like our essays aren't as "unique" as we'd hoped.


pet peeve of mine....unique is binary. something's unique or it's not. you can't be sorta one-of-a-kind....

That's exactly what I am saying. If unique is binary than our essays are no longer unique because there will be more than one with that line.
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Re: Calling all Wharton 2011 Applicants [#permalink] New post 27 Oct 2010, 06:24
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Oh man I used a line in my essay that is almost exactly like that. Bummer. Doubt that will change anything but looks like our essays aren't as "unique" as we'd hoped.


pet peeve of mine....unique is binary. something's unique or it's not. you can't be sorta one-of-a-kind....

That's exactly what I am saying. If unique is binary than our essays are no longer unique because there will be more than one with that line.


I already got into an argument with someone about what qualifies as a haiku so don't want to argue over a definition, but.....

you said "as 'unique'" meaning that it still had some degree of unique-ness....
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Re: Calling all Wharton 2011 Applicants [#permalink] New post 27 Oct 2010, 06:33
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I already got into an argument with someone about what qualifies as a haiku so don't want to argue over a definition, but.....

you said "as 'unique'" meaning that it still had some degree of unique-ness....

Either way it is a waste of time to argue about the word "unique." Bottom line is you know what I was trying to say, so if I offended you, sorry.
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Re: Calling all Wharton 2011 Applicants [#permalink] New post 27 Oct 2010, 06:43
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I already got into an argument with someone about what qualifies as a haiku so don't want to argue over a definition, but.....

you said "as 'unique'" meaning that it still had some degree of unique-ness....

Either way it is a waste of time to argue about the word "unique." Bottom line is you know what I was trying to say, so if I offended you, sorry.


I wouldn't lose any sleep. He dropped his unique binary bomb on someone in the Harvard forum too.
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Re: Calling all Wharton 2011 Applicants [#permalink] New post 27 Oct 2010, 06:46
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Jmw125 wrote:

I already got into an argument with someone about what qualifies as a haiku so don't want to argue over a definition, but.....

you said "as 'unique'" meaning that it still had some degree of unique-ness....

Either way it is a waste of time to argue about the word "unique." Bottom line is you know what I was trying to say, so if I offended you, sorry.


I wouldn't lose any sleep. He dropped his unique binary bomb on someone in the Harvard forum too.


haha...that's why i said it's a pet peeve....
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Re: Calling all Wharton 2011 Applicants [#permalink] New post 27 Oct 2010, 08:17
lol you grammar nazi.
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Re: Calling all Wharton 2011 Applicants [#permalink] New post 27 Oct 2010, 08:33
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pet peeve of mine....unique is binary. something's unique or it's not. you can't be sorta one-of-a-kind....


SO WRONG! Let's say a widget has 10 attributes. Widget a, attribute 1 is unique. Widget b, attributes 1, 2, and 3 are unique. Widget b is "more unique" than widget a.

Likewise with their essays. In so far as their shared quote is concerned, they are now each less unique, ie, less of the essay is unique. I am sure each essay still has unique components. But they are less unique.

Anyways dude, sounds like you belong in law school, not an mba program. :wink:
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Re: Calling all Wharton 2011 Applicants [#permalink] New post 27 Oct 2010, 08:39
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pet peeve of mine....unique is binary. something's unique or it's not. you can't be sorta one-of-a-kind....


SO WRONG! Let's say a widget has 10 attributes. Widget a, attribute 1 is unique. Widget b, attributes 1, 2, and 3 are unique. Widget b is "more unique" than widget a.

Likewise with their essays. In so far as their shared quote is concerned, they are now each less unique, ie, less of the essay is unique. I am sure each essay still has unique components. But they are less unique.

Anyways dude, sounds like you belong in law school, not an mba program. :wink:


"Anyways dude, sounds like you belong in law school, not an mba program"...pot calling the kettle black?

Definition of unique:
–adjective
1.
existing as the only one or as the sole example; single; solitary in type or characteristics: a unique copy of an ancient manuscript.
2.
having no like or equal; unparalleled; incomparable: Bach was unique in his handling of counterpoint.
3.
limited in occurrence to a given class, situation, or area: a species unique to Australia.
4.
limited to a single outcome or result; without alternative possibilities: Certain types of problems have unique solutions

it's not additive
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Re: Calling all Wharton 2011 Applicants [#permalink] New post 27 Oct 2010, 08:41
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pet peeve of mine....unique is binary. something's unique or it's not. you can't be sorta one-of-a-kind....


SO WRONG! Let's say a widget has 10 attributes. Widget a, attribute 1 is unique. Widget b, attributes 1, 2, and 3 are unique. Widget b is "more unique" than widget a.

Likewise with their essays. In so far as their shared quote is concerned, they are now each less unique, ie, less of the essay is unique. I am sure each essay still has unique components. But they are less unique.

Anyways dude, sounds like you belong in law school, not an mba program. :wink:


"Anyways dude, sounds like you belong in law school, not an mba program"...pot calling the kettle black?

Definition of unique:
–adjective
1.
existing as the only one or as the sole example; single; solitary in type or characteristics: a unique copy of an ancient manuscript.
2.
having no like or equal; unparalleled; incomparable: Bach was unique in his handling of counterpoint.
3.
limited in occurrence to a given class, situation, or area: a species unique to Australia.
4.
limited to a single outcome or result; without alternative possibilities: Certain types of problems have unique solutions

it's not additive


Wow, if you are going to just google "unique" and copy-paste the first definition you find, YOU PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO EXCLUDE THE FIFTH BULLET THAT DISPROVES YOUR POINT.

–adjective
1.
existing as the only one or as the sole example; single; solitary in type or characteristics: a unique copy of an ancient manuscript.
2.
having no like or equal; unparalleled; incomparable: Bach was unique in his handling of counterpoint.
3.
limited in occurrence to a given class, situation, or area: a species unique to Australia.
4.
limited to a single outcome or result; without alternative possibilities: Certain types of problems have unique solutions.
5.
not typical; unusual: She has a very unique smile.
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Re: Calling all Wharton 2011 Applicants [#permalink] New post 27 Oct 2010, 08:46
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Alright you guys, let's not crowd this thread with grammar wars. Let's keep it relevant to Wharton application.
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Re: Calling all Wharton 2011 Applicants [#permalink] New post 27 Oct 2010, 08:57
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not typical; unusual: She has a very unique smile.


good counter. QED (?) :wink:

Anyways, please refer to Garner's Modern American Usage for the correct usage. This book is the authority on grammar and style. (I don't have a hard copy with me at work, but I believe it's perfectly okay to say "as unique" or "more unique" etc.) Style is always evolving, so it might be fine with that usage.

An example is the word "enthused." According to Shrunk & White, you should NEVER use that verb... instead use the more appropriate form with the adj "enthusiastic." But in today's world, I see that verb all the time!
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Re: Calling all Wharton 2011 Applicants [#permalink] New post 27 Oct 2010, 09:03
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Alright you guys, let's not crowd this thread with grammar wars. Let's keep it relevant to Wharton application.


Agreed with w103psp. It's all subjective semantics. Let's keep the grammar pissing contest elsewhere please and discuss Wharton-relevant topics.
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Re: Calling all Wharton 2011 Applicants [#permalink] New post 27 Oct 2010, 11:41
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Many authors of usage guides, editors, teachers, and others feel strongly that such “absolute” words as complete, equal, perfect, and especially unique cannot be compared because of their “meaning”: a word that denotes an absolute condition cannot be described as denoting more or less than that absolute condition. However, all such words have undergone semantic development and are used in a number of senses, some of which can be compared by words like more, very, most, absolutely, somewhat, and totally and some of which cannot.
The earliest meanings of unique when it entered English around the beginning of the 17th century were “single, sole” and “having no equal.” By the mid-19th century unique had developed a wider meaning, “not typical, unusual,” and it is in this wider sense that it is compared: The foliage on the late-blooming plants is more unique than that on the earlier varieties. The comparison of so-called absolutes in senses that are not absolute is standard in all varieties of speech and writing.


Welcome to the 21st century, Jmw125! :)
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Re: Calling all Wharton 2011 Applicants [#permalink] New post 27 Oct 2010, 11:44
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Many authors of usage guides, editors, teachers, and others feel strongly that such “absolute” words as complete, equal, perfect, and especially unique cannot be compared because of their “meaning”: a word that denotes an absolute condition cannot be described as denoting more or less than that absolute condition. However, all such words have undergone semantic development and are used in a number of senses, some of which can be compared by words like more, very, most, absolutely, somewhat, and totally and some of which cannot.
The earliest meanings of unique when it entered English around the beginning of the 17th century were “single, sole” and “having no equal.” By the mid-19th century unique had developed a wider meaning, “not typical, unusual,” and it is in this wider sense that it is compared: The foliage on the late-blooming plants is more unique than that on the earlier varieties. The comparison of so-called absolutes in senses that are not absolute is standard in all varieties of speech and writing.


Welcome to the 21st century, Jmw125! :)


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