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# What are my chances?

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01 Sep 2004, 10:49
I am a Chinese American and I would like to know how big a stretch it is for me to apply to these tops schools:

Wharton, Chicago, Columbia, Hass, Stern and Tepper.

University of Washington
Two BS degrees: Electrical Engingeering and Economics
Minor in Math
GPA: 3.52
Dean's List for 6 quarters
Participated in various students assoications. ( no position held)

Professional Experience:

Senior Design Engineer
4 yrs at Intel Corporation with 2 promotions.
Have worked in various divisions within the company: desktop, mobile and eneterprise.
First-year - Intel Rotation Engineers Program - a Leadership program founded by CEO

GMAT:
First attempt: 610 M:48 V:26
Second attemp: 660 M:50 V:29

Extracurricular activities:

Volunteered in June and July for 4-6hrs/week as a math tutor at the Opportunities Industrialiation Ceneter West.

I plan to retake the GMAT again in late September or in Mid October. But lets say if I do not score 680 or above on my next attempt....should I even consider applying to these schools???

Thank you very much.

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01 Sep 2004, 10:55
Hi,

What are your goals for after the MBA?

What type of position/firm are you seeking?

Feel free to send me a PM for a more detailed response.

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01 Sep 2004, 11:10
Hi Hjort.

I am going for a MBA to facilitate my career transition. My short-term goal after MBA is to work for a top financial firm as an Equity Research Analyst for the high-tech industry to learn and understand the industry in depth. Long-term goal is to become a venture caplitlist and start my own venture capital firm.

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01 Sep 2004, 18:04
mliu1024 wrote:
I am a Chinese American and I would like to know how big a stretch it is for me to apply to these tops schools:

Wharton, Chicago, Columbia, Hass, Stern and Tepper.

University of Washington
Two BS degrees: Electrical Engingeering and Economics
Minor in Math
GPA: 3.52
Dean's List for 6 quarters
Participated in various students assoications. ( no position held)

Professional Experience:

Senior Design Engineer
4 yrs at Intel Corporation with 2 promotions.
Have worked in various divisions within the company: desktop, mobile and eneterprise.
First-year - Intel Rotation Engineers Program - a Leadership program founded by CEO

GMAT:
First attempt: 610 M:48 V:26
Second attemp: 660 M:50 V:29

Extracurricular activities:

Volunteered in June and July for 4-6hrs/week as a math tutor at the Opportunities Industrialiation Ceneter West.

I plan to retake the GMAT again in late September or in Mid October. But lets say if I do not score 680 or above on my next attempt....should I even consider applying to these schools???

Thank you very much.

Michael

Wharton, Chicago, Columbia, Hass, Stern and Tepper.

Obviously, it's your verbal score that is the problem, not your quant. If you get a 680 or above or move to around 80% on the verbal, you will have a competitive chance at all the schools. Even with the current score, you have a competitive profile for CMU Tepper. With your current score, however, the other schools besides Tepper are stretch schools.

Good luck!
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01 Sep 2004, 19:12
Linda,

Thank you for the reply. I wonder if I take GMAT again, how would it affect my profile because it would be my third try.

In addition, if I can't improve my verbal score to 80%, can't I use my essays to show my verbal competancy? Or is it an automatic rejection if I don't score 680 or above?

Thank you.

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02 Sep 2004, 10:59
Three administrations should be fine since schools expect students to maximize their scores on the test. However, it would be good idea to make the third admin. the last.

Scores below 680 are certainly not automatic rejects. However, a score of 660 is near the far left tail for most of the elite and ultraelite schools. On the plus side, the nominal GPA you cited exceeds the nominal GPA mean of most elite schools.

You might want to consider some of the transelites as well.

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02 Sep 2004, 14:58
mliu1024 wrote:
Linda,

Thank you for the reply. I wonder if I take GMAT again, how would it affect my profile because it would be my third try.

In addition, if I can't improve my verbal score to 80%, can't I use my essays to show my verbal competancy? Or is it an automatic rejection if I don't score 680 or above?

Thank you.

Michael

A higher GMAT on the third try is better than a lower GMAT on the second try. Schools don't penalize for multiple GMATs.

Your essays (and interviews) certainly can demonstrate fluency in English. But the schools have a comfort level at 80%. Now keep in mind that the 80% figure is not set in concrete; it is a comfort level. So if you write articulate essays and interview well, then you will be combatting the low verbal. But if that verbal score goes much below 70%, it is an obstacle and hurdle to overcome.

680 is also not a cut-off. But considering your demographic, if you drop much below that level you will quickly become less competitive when compared to others with a similar background.

Use the GMAT to prove you "qualify," then use your essays to show why you should be admitted.

Good luck!

Good luck!
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03 Sep 2004, 14:31
Is my GMAT score good enough for these schools?
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03 Sep 2004, 15:50
Hi,

For Cornell and Michigan a 660 is just to the left of the mean.

Have you considered USC(Marshall) and UNC?

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04 Sep 2004, 22:02
No. I have not considered USC and UNC.

I want to schools that have really good finance programs. So that's why I am considering Wharton, Columbia, Chicago, NYU and Berkeley.

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05 Sep 2004, 16:42
Hi,

Assuming that the your primary selection criterion is a strong program in finance, your current list is highly underinclusive.

I can gladly name other strong programs if you desire.

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05 Sep 2004, 17:06
Yes I understand that the list is underinclusive. I only mentioned those schools just to convey my point.

Btw, do you know if I apply to seven schools, how would it affect my profile?

Thank you.

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06 Sep 2004, 11:38
Not to beat a dead horse, but I understand that these were examples. That is why I included USC supra because it has a strong program in finance. Far too many applicants confuse a school's general rep and its domain specific reputation- this is hardly a crime but it can easily lead to suboptimal portfolios.

Applying to additional schools almost certainly decreases the chance of zero acceptances in the applicant's portfolio of strong schools. Since schools have little idea of which other schools one is applying to, additional applications have virtually no effect on the decision of any one school.

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