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Re: least distance [#permalink]
20 Apr 2010, 08:58

I think a lot of people are making this question way harder than it has to be.

Start by graphing the circle at (0,-1), (1,0), (0,1), (,-1,0)

Then graph the line at (0,-3) and (4,0)

What is the area? Simple...6

Now figure out hypotenuse of the 3, 4, 5 triangle. Are should still be 6 because it is the same triangle. Use 5 as your base and figure out h= 2.4. Now minus the 1 from the circle and it equals 1.4

Re: least distance [#permalink]
20 Apr 2010, 09:04

mmphf wrote:

gmatbull wrote:

ritula wrote:

I tried calculating OD from Tri OBD: Using 30:60:60 degrees OD = 2, since OB (side facing 90 deg) = 4 Least distance = 2 – 1 = 1

Using Tri OAD” Again 30:60:90 (x=3/2) OD = 3/2(\sqrt{3}) OD = 2.5 Least distance = 2.5 – 1 = 1.5 Different answers!

It's not a 30:60:90 triangle. The original triangle (your OAB) is a pythagorean triple 3:4:5. You can find OD by getting the height of the original triangle, using AB as a base.

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Re: least distance [#permalink]
20 Apr 2010, 12:26

fully agree with ksharma.

Just plot the points on x and y-axis for the two equations (1,1,-1,-1...4,-3 ) and you'll easily find the solution from the height of the 3,4,5 triangle.

Re: least distance [#permalink]
20 Apr 2010, 14:58

Least distance between the circle and the given line will be the perpendicular distance between the given line and the tangent at a point on the circle where it is parallel to the given line.

Thus the required distance = Distance of given line from origin - radius

= 2.4-1 = 1.4

Reason : Line drawn form the center to tangent will be perpendicular and now if we extend it to the given line it will be perpendicular to the given line as well. _________________

Re: least distance [#permalink]
20 Apr 2010, 20:11

basik21 wrote:

Common guys, it's not as tough as seems to be... just easy, X^2+Y^2=1 is circle with center (0,0) and radius 1, just simply x=0, y= +/-1, and y=0, x=+/-1, and y=3/4-3 is just a line, which forms right triangle(3,4,5) with origin. Assume that Z is perpendicular to hypothenuse, r is radius of circle, which is 1, d is Distance from our circle to line. so Area of this triangle is 1/2*3*4=1/2*5*Z, so Z is equal to 12/5. And, Z=r+d=>12/5=1+d=> d=7/5=1.4

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Re: least distance [#permalink]
22 Apr 2011, 13:05

How do we know the perpendicular is passing through origin? I could not figure our that. I missed something.

Anyway I used derivative(have some blurred memories of this:) to minimize distance.

Say point (a,b) on circle which is nearest to the line Now distance between a line and a point is d = |b-ma-c|/sqrt(m^2+1) where m is the slope of line and c is intercept

= |b-(3/4)a +3|/ sqrt( (3/4)^2 +1)

(a,b) on circle, hence a^2 + b^2 = 1 => b = sqrt(1-a^2)

Use this in distance eqn and minimize the numerator using derivative. I wont go into that. Just do df/da = 0 and remember a should be + and b should be - as this point is in 4th quad.

So I got a = 3/5 and b = -4/5, this is the point of tangent to the circle parallel to given line

d = 1.4 _________________

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Re: least distance [#permalink]
22 Apr 2011, 13:54

Expert's post

hellishbrain wrote:

How do we know the perpendicular is passing through origin? I could not figure our that. I missed something.

The point is not whether the perpendicular on the line will pass through the center. The point is that the perpendicular from the center will give the minimum distance. Look at the diagram below and forget the circle for the time being. What is the minimum distance from the center (0,0) to the line? It will the perpendicular from the center to the line, right? Now think, what will be the shortest distance from the circle to the line? It will be 1 unit less than the distance from the center to the line, isn't it?

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Since hypotenuse is 5, (1/2)*3*4 = (1/2)*5*x x = 2.4 So minimum distance is 2.4 - 1 = 1.4 _________________

Re: least distance [#permalink]
22 Apr 2011, 14:13

Thanks. So take away is for any circle(centered anywhere) and any line, the perpendicular from the centre of circle to line would give the minimum distance. Right? _________________

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Re: least distance [#permalink]
22 Apr 2011, 14:20

Expert's post

hellishbrain wrote:

Thanks. So take away is for any circle(centered anywhere) and any line, the perpendicular from the centre of circle to line would give the minimum distance. Right?

Certainly! Just forget the circle itself. Think about the point at the center of the circle. If I had to find the minimum distance from that point to a line, it would be the perpendicular distance. So minimum distance of any point on the circle to the line would be that distance minus the radius. _________________

Re: least distance [#permalink]
22 Apr 2011, 19:27

Alternately, being a right angle triangle, with base can be taken as either of sides and height will be the perpendicular from vertex left aside. Area = 0.5 * base * height = 0.5 * 3 * 4 = 6 (here we compute area) Area = 0.5 * base * height = 0.5 * 5 * h, thus h = 2.4. However, h should be reduced by 1 as it's radius of circle. Hence, distance between circle and line is 1.4.

Re: least distance [#permalink]
23 Apr 2011, 12:10

atletikos wrote:

yes, A jallenmorris, nice explanation, but I'm not sure this way won't take more than 2 min. I think the shortest way is as following:

We have right triangle with sides 3,4,5. Area is 1/2 (3x4) = 6. The shortest distance from the origin to the line y=3/4x-3 has to be perpendicular to this line and is 6/(5/2)=2,4. Thus, subtracting radius we have the answer: 2,4-1=1,4

great work!! it goes to show that there's usually a quick way hiding somewhere in a triangles question _________________