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What is the perimeter of isosceles triangle MNP?

(1) MN = 16. We only know the length of one side. Not sufficient.
(2) NP = 20. We only know the length of one side. Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) If MN=MP=16 and NP=20 then the perimeter would be 16+16+20=52 but if MN=16 and NP=MP=20 then the perimeter would be 16+20+20=56. Not sufficient.

Answer: E.

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Hi,

Difficulty level: close to 600. ('cause at first glance, I said, answer is (C). Then, when I actually solved, I got the right answer.)

Perimeter of isosceles triangle MNP?

Using (1),
MN = 16, no idea about NP & MP. Insufficient.

Using (2)
NP = 20, no idea about MN & MP. Insufficient.

Combining both the statements,
MN = 16 & NP = 20
for MNP to be isosceles, the third side MP can be 16 or 20. Insufficient.

Thus, Answer is (E).

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Perimeter of isosceles triangle MNP?

Using (1),
MN = 16, no idea about NP & MP. Insufficient.

Using (2)
NP = 20, no idea about MN & MP. Insufficient.

Combining both the statements,
MN = 16 & NP = 20
for MNP to be isosceles, the third side MP can be 16 or 20. Insufficient.

Thus, Answer is (E).

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Just a bit harder question, based on OG#28:

What is the perimeter of isosceles triangle MNP?

(1) MN = 16
(2) NP = 32

What would be the answer in this case?
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Perimeter of isosceles triangle MNP?

Using (1),
MN = 16, no idea about NP & MP. Insufficient.

Using (2)
NP = 20, no idea about MN & MP. Insufficient.

Combining both the statements,
MN = 16 & NP = 20
for MNP to be isosceles, the third side MP can be 16 or 20. Insufficient.

Thus, Answer is (E).

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Just a bit harder question, based on OG#28:

What is the perimeter of isosceles triangle MNP?

(1) MN = 16
(2) NP = 32

What would be the answer in this case?

Hi,

Using (1) & (2) alone we can't get the answer (similar to the explanation above)

Combinig (1) & (2),
MN = 16 & NP = 32
Possible sides of triangle (16, 16, 32) & (16, 32, 32),
now we know a+b>c (sum of two sides greater than third side)
(16, 16, 32) doesn't fulfill this criteria
Thus only possible triangle is (16, 32, 32)
perimeter = 80

Thus, Answer is (C)

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Perimeter of isosceles triangle MNP?

Using (1),
MN = 16, no idea about NP & MP. Insufficient.

Using (2)
NP = 20, no idea about MN & MP. Insufficient.

Combining both the statements,
MN = 16 & NP = 20
for MNP to be isosceles, the third side MP can be 16 or 20. Insufficient.

Thus, Answer is (E).

Regards,


Just a bit harder question, based on OG#28:

What is the perimeter of isosceles triangle MNP?

(1) MN = 16
(2) NP = 32

What would be the answer in this case?

Hi,

Using (1) & (2) alone we can't get the answer (similar to the explanation above)

Combinig (1) & (2),
MN = 16 & NP = 32
Possible sides of triangle (16, 16, 32) & (16, 32, 32),
now we know a+b>c (sum of two sides greater than third side)
(16, 16, 32) doesn't fulfill this criteria
Thus only possible triangle is (16, 32, 32)
perimeter = 80

Thus, Answer is (C)

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What is the perimeter of isosceles triangle MNP?

(1) MN = 16
(2) NP = 32

MUST KNOW FOR THE GMAT: The length of any side of a triangle must be larger than the positive difference of the other two sides, but smaller than the sum of the other two sides.

When we consider the two statements together we can see that the case of {16, 16, 32} is not possible since the sum of two sides (16 and 16) is not greater then the third side (32), so only the following case is possible: {16, 32, 32}, which gives the perimeter equal to 16+32+32=80.

Answer: C.

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Higher then 550 for sure. I think 600.

Unless we know the property "The length of any side of a triangle must be larger than the positive difference of the other two sides, but smaller than the sum of the other two sides", we can not answer the question easily.

Stmt 1: We can know the second side but don't know the length of third side.
Stmt 2: Same logic as given for stmt 1.

Together the third side can be 16 or it can be 20 also.

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What is the perimeter of isosceles triangle MNP?

(1) MN = 16. We only know the length of one side. Not sufficient.
(2) NP = 20. We only know the length of one side. Not sufficient.

(1)+(2) If MN=MP=16 and NP=20 then the perimeter would be 16+16+20=52 but if MN=16 and NP=MP=20 then the perimeter would be 16+20+20=56. Not sufficient.

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What is the perimeter of isosceles triangle MNP?
PERIMETER=MN+NP+MP
Not given which sides are equal
(1) MN = 16
NP&MP unavailable so insufficient
(2) NP = 20
MN&MP unavailable so insufficient
from (i)&(ii)
Perimeter=MN+NP+MP=16+20+?, we don't know which two sides are equal;insufficient (E)
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What is the perimeter of isosceles triangle MNP?

(1) MN = 16
(2) NP = 20

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Sides of an isosceles triangle: a, a, b.. We don't know if a = 16 or if a = 20, so E
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What is the perimeter of isosceles triangle MNP?

(1) MN = 16
(2) NP = 20

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Difficulty: 550


Hi all,

when reading "What is the perimeter of Isosceles Triangle MNP", how can I be sure that "MNP" stands for the vertices (as it is the case here) and not for the sides?
If M, N and P each were sides, the result to the question in my opinion would change to "C", as M*N and N*P would HAVE to account for 4*4 and 4*5 in this logic as we're dealing with an isosceles and the rule for the sum of two triangle sides doesn't allow any other solution.

How can I identify these variables to be representing vertices instead of sides?


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What is the perimeter of isosceles triangle MNP?

(1) MN = 16
(2) NP = 20

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Question: 28
Page: 25
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Hi all,

when reading "What is the perimeter of Isosceles Triangle MNP", how can I be sure that "MNP" stands for the vertices (as it is the case here) and not for the sides?
If M, N and P each were sides, the result to the question in my opinion would change to "C", as M*N and N*P would HAVE to account for 4*4 and 4*5 in this logic as we're dealing with an isosceles and the rule for the sum of two triangle sides doesn't allow any other solution.

How can I identify these variables to be representing vertices instead of sides?


Thanks
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You are over-thinking this one. Capital letters refer to vertices.
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What is the perimeter of isosceles triangle MNP?

(1) MN = 16
(2) NP = 20

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Question: 28
Page: 25
Difficulty: 550


Hi all,

when reading "What is the perimeter of Isosceles Triangle MNP", how can I be sure that "MNP" stands for the vertices (as it is the case here) and not for the sides?
If M, N and P each were sides, the result to the question in my opinion would change to "C", as M*N and N*P would HAVE to account for 4*4 and 4*5 in this logic as we're dealing with an isosceles and the rule for the sum of two triangle sides doesn't allow any other solution.

How can I identify these variables to be representing vertices instead of sides?


Thanks
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You are over-thinking this one. Capital letters refer to vertices.



Would the angle rules of isosceles triangles not apply here? Since we know sides of 16, 20 - would the remaining side not have to be 16 in order to maintain 1:1:\sqrt{2} ???
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