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Re: What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 - 4x + 6=3 [#permalink] New post 13 Feb 2013, 04:28
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What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 - 4x + 6 = 3 - |x - 1|?
(A) -8
(B) -4
(C) -2
(D) 4
(E) 8


If |x - 1|>=0 ---->then the modulus will be equal to (x-1) & roots of the resulting equation will be 2,1
If |x - 1|<0 ---->then the modulus will be equal to (-x+1) & roots of the resulting equation will be 4,1

So the product of all the roots (2,1,4,1) is 8.
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Re: What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 - 4x + 6=3 [#permalink] New post 13 Feb 2013, 08:14
In order for |x - 1| to be equal to 1 - x, we would have to have x < 1 . Therefore eliminating your second pair of solutions

You could also verify this by substituting x = 4 inthe original equation, and seeing that this solution DOES NOT fit. The only two solutions are 1 and 2.

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What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 - 4x + 6 = 3 - |x - 1| ?

(A) -8
(B) -4
(C) 2
(D) 4
(E) 8


If x<1, then |x - 1| = -(x-1)=1-x, so in this case we'll have x^2 - 4x + 6 = 3-(1-x) --> x^2-5x+4=0 --> x=1 or x=4 --> discard both solutions since neither is in the range x<1.

If x\geq{1}, then |x - 1| = x-1, so in this case we'll have x^2 - 4x + 6 = 3-(x-1) --> x^2-3x+2=0 --> x=1 or x=2.

Therefore, the product of the roots is 1*2=2.

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Re: What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 - 4x + 6=3 [#permalink] New post 14 Feb 2013, 10:44
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What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 - 4x + 6 = 3 - |x - 1| ?

(A) -8
(B) -4
(C) -2
(D) 4
(E) 8


If x<1, then |x - 1| = -(x-1)=1-x, so in this case we'll have x^2 - 4x + 6 = 3-(1-x) --> x^2-5x+4=0 --> x=1 or x=4 --> discard both solutions since neither is in the range x<1.

If x\geq{1}, then |x - 1| = x-1, so in this case we'll have x^2 - 4x + 6 = 3-(x-1) --> x^2-3x+2=0 --> x=1 or x=2.

Therefore, the product of the roots is 1*2=2.

No correct answer among the choices.


Wow! Really? How often do we see this? Who the heck wrote this question?
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Re: What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 - 4x + 6=3 [#permalink] New post 15 Feb 2013, 02:43
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Bunuel wrote:
carcass wrote:
What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 - 4x + 6 = 3 - |x - 1| ?

(A) -8
(B) -4
(C) -2
(D) 4
(E) 8


If x<1, then |x - 1| = -(x-1)=1-x, so in this case we'll have x^2 - 4x + 6 = 3-(1-x) --> x^2-5x+4=0 --> x=1 or x=4 --> discard both solutions since neither is in the range x<1.

If x\geq{1}, then |x - 1| = x-1, so in this case we'll have x^2 - 4x + 6 = 3-(x-1) --> x^2-3x+2=0 --> x=1 or x=2.

Therefore, the product of the roots is 1*2=2.

No correct answer among the choices.


Wow! Really? How often do we see this? Who the heck wrote this question?


How often do we see what?

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What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 + 4x + 7 = |x + 2| + 3 ?
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B. -2
C. 2
D. 6
E. 12

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Re: What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 - 4x + 6=3 [#permalink] New post 16 Feb 2013, 11:37
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How often do we see what?

I've seen similar question which reads:
What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 + 4x + 7 = |x + 2| + 3 ?
A. -6
B. -2
C. 2
D. 6
E. 12

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Try it. I'll provide solution for this question later, if necessary.


How often do we see no correct answer among the answer choices?
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Re: What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 - 4x + 6=3 [#permalink] New post 18 Feb 2013, 03:27
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carcass wrote:
What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 - 4x + 6 = 3 - |x - 1| ?

(A) -8
(B) -4
(C) -2
(D) 4
(E) 8


If x<1, then |x - 1| = -(x-1)=1-x, so in this case we'll have x^2 - 4x + 6 = 3-(1-x) --> x^2-5x+4=0 --> x=1 or x=4 --> discard both solutions since neither is in the range x<1.

If x\geq{1}, then |x - 1| = x-1, so in this case we'll have x^2 - 4x + 6 = 3-(x-1) --> x^2-3x+2=0 --> x=1 or x=2.

Therefore, the product of the roots is 1*2=2.

No correct answer among the choices.

I have a question, I do understand that why have you taken the value 1 but I don't understand why have you taken x>=1. Why not simply x>1
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Re: What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 - 4x + 6=3 [#permalink] New post 18 Feb 2013, 03:35
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carcass wrote:
What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 - 4x + 6 = 3 - |x - 1| ?

(A) -8
(B) -4
(C) -2
(D) 4
(E) 8


If x<1, then |x - 1| = -(x-1)=1-x, so in this case we'll have x^2 - 4x + 6 = 3-(1-x) --> x^2-5x+4=0 --> x=1 or x=4 --> discard both solutions since neither is in the range x<1.

If x\geq{1}, then |x - 1| = x-1, so in this case we'll have x^2 - 4x + 6 = 3-(x-1) --> x^2-3x+2=0 --> x=1 or x=2.

Therefore, the product of the roots is 1*2=2.

No correct answer among the choices.

I have a question, I do understand that why have you taken the value 1 but I don't understand why have you taken x>=1. Why not simply x>1


x could be 1, thus when you consider the ranges you should include this value in either of the range, so we could consider x<1 and x>=1 OR x<=1 and x>1 (you cam include = sign in either of the ranges).

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Re: What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 - 4x + 6=3 [#permalink] New post 18 Feb 2013, 03:48
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Bunuel wrote:

How often do we see what?

I've seen similar question which reads:
What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 + 4x + 7 = |x + 2| + 3 ?
A. -6
B. -2
C. 2
D. 6
E. 12

OA:
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A


Try it. I'll provide solution for this question later, if necessary.


How often do we see no correct answer among the answer choices?


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Re: What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 - 4x + 6=3 [#permalink] New post 18 Feb 2013, 05:16
I've seen similar question which reads:
What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 + 4x + 7 = |x + 2| + 3 ?
A. -6
B. -2
C. 2
D. 6
E. 12

OA:
[Reveal] Spoiler:
A


Try it. I'll provide solution for this question later, if necessary.[/quote]


if |x+2|>=0 then |x+2|= (x+2)

eqation becomes (x+2)(x+1)=0

x=-2,-1

if |x+2|<0 then |x+2|=-(x+2)

equation becomes (x+2) (x+3) =0
x=-2,-3 ( can't be -2 since x<-2)

product of the solution -

-2*-1*-3= -6 Ans

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Re: What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 - 4x + 6=3 [#permalink] New post 18 Feb 2013, 05:32
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I've seen similar question which reads:
What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 + 4x + 7 = |x + 2| + 3 ?
A. -6
B. -2
C. 2
D. 6
E. 12

OA:
[Reveal] Spoiler:
A


Try it. I'll provide solution for this question later, if necessary.

if |x+2|>=-2 then |x+2|= (x+2)

eqation becomes (x+2)(x+1)=0

x=-2,-1

if |x+2|<-2 then |x+2|=-(x+2)

equation becomes (x+2) (x+3) =0
x=-2,-3 ( can't be -2 since x<-2)

product of the solution -

-2*-1*-3= -6 Ans


I guess you meant the following:

When x\leq{-2}, then |x+2|=-(x-2).
When x>{-2}, then |x+2|=(x-2).

Complete solution:

x^2 + 4x + 7 = |x + 2| + 3 --> x^2 + 4x + 4 = |x + 2| --> (x+2)^2=|x+2| --> (x+2)^4=(x+2)^2 --> (x+2)^2((x+2)^2-1)=0:

x+2=0 --> x=-2;
OR
(x+2)^2-1=0 --> (x+2)^2=1 --> x=-1 or x=-3.

The product of the roots: (-2)*(-1)*(-3)=-6.

Answer: A.

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Re: What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 - 4x + 6=3 [#permalink] New post 18 Feb 2013, 05:48
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guerrero25 wrote:
I've seen similar question which reads:
What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 + 4x + 7 = |x + 2| + 3 ?
A. -6
B. -2
C. 2
D. 6
E. 12

OA:
[Reveal] Spoiler:
A


Try it. I'll provide solution for this question later, if necessary.

if |x+2|>=-2 then |x+2|= (x+2)

eqation becomes (x+2)(x+1)=0

x=-2,-1

if |x+2|<-2 then |x+2|=-(x+2)

equation becomes (x+2) (x+3) =0
x=-2,-3 ( can't be -2 since x<-2)

product of the solution -

-2*-1*-3= -6 Ans


I guess you meant the following:

When x\leq{-2}, then |x+2|=-(x-2).
When x>{-2}, then |x+2|=(x-2).

Complete solution:

x^2 + 4x + 7 = |x + 2| + 3 --> x^2 + 4x + 4 = |x + 2| --> (x+2)^2=|x+2| --> (x+2)^4=(x+2)^2 --> (x+2)^2((x+2)^2-1)=0:

x+2=0 --> x=-2;
OR
(x+2)^2-1=0 --> (x+2)^2=1 --> x=-1 or x=-3.

The product of the roots: (-2)*(-1)*(-3)=-6.

Answer: A.

Hope it's clear.


thanks ! That was a Typo . I edited the post .
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I've seen similar question which reads:
What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 + 4x + 7 = |x + 2| + 3 ?
A. -6
B. -2
C. 2
D. 6
E. 12

OA:
[Reveal] Spoiler:
A


Try it. I'll provide solution for this question later, if necessary.



if |x+2|>=0 then |x+2|= (x+2)

eqation becomes (x+2)(x+1)=0

x=-2,-1

if |x+2|<0 then |x+2|=-(x+2)

equation becomes (x+2) (x+3) =0
x=-2,-3 ( can't be -2 since x<-2)

product of the solution -

-2*-1*-3= -6 Ans[/quote]

Still not correct. Absolute value cannot be negative, so |x+2| is always more than or equal to zero.
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Re: What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 - 4x + 6=3 [#permalink] New post 25 Apr 2013, 06:23
Hello everyone,

I am so close to understanding this question, but the one thing I do not understand is why the positive of |x+2| is >= and the negative of |x+2| is just <?

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Re: What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 - 4x + 6=3 [#permalink] New post 05 Jul 2013, 12:27
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guerrero25 wrote:
I've seen similar question which reads:
What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 + 4x + 7 = |x + 2| + 3 ?
A. -6
B. -2
C. 2
D. 6
E. 12

OA:
[Reveal] Spoiler:
A


Try it. I'll provide solution for this question later, if necessary.

if |x+2|>=-2 then |x+2|= (x+2)

eqation becomes (x+2)(x+1)=0

x=-2,-1

if |x+2|<-2 then |x+2|=-(x+2)

equation becomes (x+2) (x+3) =0
x=-2,-3 ( can't be -2 since x<-2)

product of the solution -

-2*-1*-3= -6 Ans


I guess you meant the following:

When x\leq{-2}, then |x+2|=-(x-2).
When x>{-2}, then |x+2|=(x-2).

Complete solution:

x^2 + 4x + 7 = |x + 2| + 3 --> x^2 + 4x + 4 = |x + 2| --> (x+2)^2=|x+2| --> (x+2)^4=(x+2)^2 --> (x+2)^2((x+2)^2-1)=0:

x+2=0 --> x=-2;
OR
(x+2)^2-1=0 --> (x+2)^2=1 --> x=-1 or x=-3.

The product of the roots: (-2)*(-1)*(-3)=-6.

Answer: A.

Hope it's clear.



Bunuel,
Can you solve this problem using the other method that you used in the previous problem?

I mean:

If
x >= 0, |x + 2| = x + 2.
This would give the equation: x^2 + 4x + 7 = x + 5.
Roots are -2, and -1

what is the other scenario?
What happens if x < 0?

How do we end up with the roots -3, and -1??
Thaanks
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Re: What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 - 4x + 6=3 [#permalink] New post 05 Jul 2013, 12:40
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guerrero25 wrote:
I've seen similar question which reads:
What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 + 4x + 7 = |x + 2| + 3 ?
A. -6
B. -2
C. 2
D. 6
E. 12

OA:
[Reveal] Spoiler:
A


Try it. I'll provide solution for this question later, if necessary.

if |x+2|>=-2 then |x+2|= (x+2)

eqation becomes (x+2)(x+1)=0

x=-2,-1

if |x+2|<-2 then |x+2|=-(x+2)

equation becomes (x+2) (x+3) =0
x=-2,-3 ( can't be -2 since x<-2)

product of the solution -

-2*-1*-3= -6 Ans


I guess you meant the following:

When x\leq{-2}, then |x+2|=-(x-2).
When x>{-2}, then |x+2|=(x-2).

Complete solution:

x^2 + 4x + 7 = |x + 2| + 3 --> x^2 + 4x + 4 = |x + 2| --> (x+2)^2=|x+2| --> (x+2)^4=(x+2)^2 --> (x+2)^2((x+2)^2-1)=0:

x+2=0 --> x=-2;
OR
(x+2)^2-1=0 --> (x+2)^2=1 --> x=-1 or x=-3.

The product of the roots: (-2)*(-1)*(-3)=-6.

Answer: A.

Hope it's clear.



Bunuel,
Can you solve this problem using the other method that you used in the previous problem?

I mean:

If
x >= 0, |x + 2| = x + 2.
This would give the equation: x^2 + 4x + 7 = x + 5.
Roots are -2, and -1

what is the other scenario?
What happens if x < 0?

How do we end up with the roots -3, and -1??
Thaanks


When x\leq{-2}, then |x+2|=-(x-2). So, in this case we'll have x^2 + 4x + 7 =-(x + 2) + 3 --> x=-3 or x=-2. Both solutions are valid.

When x>{-2}, then |x+2|=(x-2). So, in this case we'll have x^2 + 4x + 7 =(x + 2) + 3 --> x=-2 or x=-1. The first solution is not valid since it's out of the range we consider. The second one is OK.

So, there are 3 valid solutions: x=-3, x=-2 and x=-1.

Hope it's clear.
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Re: What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 - 4x + 6=3 [#permalink] New post 06 Jul 2013, 08:09
Sorry. It is not clear.

Can you explain what was wrong with the way I was approaching the problem?

I mean other than the part that you marked red, what was I doing wrong? Do I have to solve theproblem using the solution that you mentioned?

If x > -2, how is |x + 2| = (x - 2)?
Is there an identity that I am missing?
If I plug in, X = -1, |x + 2| = 1, but (x - 2) = -3

Why the discrepancy? What identity am I missing?
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Re: What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 - 4x + 6=3 [#permalink] New post 06 Jul 2013, 08:16
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Sorry. It is not clear.

Can you explain what was wrong with the way I was approaching the problem?

I mean other than the part that you marked red, what was I doing wrong? Do I have to solve theproblem using the solution that you mentioned?

If x > -2, how is |x + 2| = (x - 2)?
Is there an identity that I am missing?
If I plug in, X = -1, |x + 2| = 1, but (x - 2) = -3

Why the discrepancy? What identity am I missing?


There was a typo:
When x\leq{-2}, then |x+2|=-(x+2)
When x>{-2}, then |x+2|=(x+2).

Absolute value properties:

When x\leq{0} then |x|=-x, or more generally when some \ expression\leq{0} then |some \ expression|={-(some \ expression)}. For example: |-5|=5=-(-5);

When x\geq{0} then |x|=x, or more generally when some \ expression\geq{0} then |some \ expression|={some \ expression}. For example: |5|=5.

For our question, when x>-2 (when x+2>0), |x+2|=x+2.

Hope it's clear.
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Re: What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 - 4x + 6=3 [#permalink] New post 06 Jul 2013, 08:52
Bunuel wrote:
jjack0310 wrote:
Sorry. It is not clear.

Can you explain what was wrong with the way I was approaching the problem?

I mean other than the part that you marked red, what was I doing wrong? Do I have to solve theproblem using the solution that you mentioned?

If x > -2, how is |x + 2| = (x - 2)?
Is there an identity that I am missing?
If I plug in, X = -1, |x + 2| = 1, but (x - 2) = -3

Why the discrepancy? What identity am I missing?


There was a typo:
When x\leq{-2}, then |x+2|=-(x+2)
When x>{-2}, then |x+2|=(x+2).

Absolute value properties:

When x\leq{0} then |x|=-x, or more generally when some \ expression\leq{0} then |some \ expression|={-(some \ expression)}. For example: |-5|=5=-(-5);

When x\geq{0} then |x|=x, or more generally when some \ expression\geq{0} then |some \ expression|={some \ expression}. For example: |5|=5.

For our question, when x>-2 (when x+2>0), |x+2|=x+2.

Hope it's clear.


Got it.

Thanks,

Final question, why are there two possibilities for when x = 0? Is that correct? or a typo?
Re: What is the product of all the solutions of x^2 - 4x + 6=3   [#permalink] 06 Jul 2013, 08:52
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