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What is the remainder for (32^32^32)/7 ? Will give the [#permalink]
28 May 2007, 04:53
What is the remainder for
(32^32^32)/7 ?
Will give the answers tomorrow.
Please post your answers with reasoning.
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The remainder is 4! - this post was edited , see followup posts.
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32^32^32 can be written as
2^5*1024
= 2^5120
Now we find a pattern for powers of 2 divided by 7
2^0 = 0
2^1=0
2^2=0
2^3=1
2^4=2
2^5=0
2^6=1
Here the repetition starts. Every 3 nos. So 5120/3 gives a rmainder of 2. Since every 3rd power is 1. this should be 0
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32*32*32 /7 = 4*4*4 /7 (remainders only)=64/7 = 1 (remainders only).
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vidyasagar wrote: 32*32*32 /7 = 4*4*4 /7 (remainders only)=64/7 = 1 (remainders only).
Am not sure you read this correctly. ^ signifies raised to the power of. You have used multiplication(*) here or is there a super-duper simplification I just cant see
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Dek wrote: 0.
32^32^32 can be written as 2^5*1024 = 2^5120
Now we find a pattern for powers of 2 divided by 7 2^0 = 0 2^1=0 2^2=0 2^3=1 2^4=2 2^5=0 Actually 32/7 leaves 4 as reminder 2^6=1 2^7 = 2 2^8 = 4 2^9=1 Here the repetition starts. Every 3 nos. So 5120/3 gives a rmainder of 2. Since every 3rd power is 1. this should be 0
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32^32^32 = 2^1600
We substract 2 from 1600 and get 1598 which we divide on 3 and get 2 as reminder => means that we have to take #2 from the pattern you discovered => reminder is 2
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I feel that I need to explain the logic behind my above answer:
As every one knows, if we had multiplication in this problem it would be very easy to solve as vidyasagar pointed out.
(32*32*32)/7 = what is the remainder ?
To find the remainder, all you have to do is to neutralize the sevens and extract the remainders, and then to multiplay it, the result would then be:
4*4*4 = 64
the remainder is 1 = (7*9+1 = 64)
My logic is the same, just in bigger numbers (it's an easy way to find out if you master the basics ! people tend to get uneasy with big numbers)
32^32^32 = 32*32*32...... (n^32^32 times)
extratcing the remainders will give:
4*4*4*4*4....(n^32^32 times)
since 4^16 = 16^8
I can repeat this process to its basic elements and recover the remainder.
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2 power 1 - remainder 2
2 power 2 - remainder 4
2 power 3 - remainder 1
2 power 4 - remainder 2
2 power 5 - remainder 4
2 power 6 - remainder 1
and so on...
Basically we need to find out the remainder of 2 power 5120.
We can separate the series above like this:
Remainder 2 series - 2^1,2^4,2^7....
Remainder 4 series - 2^2,2^5,2^8....
Remainder 1 series - 2^3,2^6,2^9....
So if we find out into which series 5120 falls we know the remainder.
This can be done by using the progressions formula. nth term of a AP is = a + (n-1)d.
Putting values for each we get that 5120 belongs to the remainder 4 series.
Hence remainder is 4.
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Re: remainder = 4 ? [#permalink]
28 May 2007, 12:08
veekayem wrote: 2 power 1 - remainder 2 2 power 2 - remainder 4 2 power 3 - remainder 1 2 power 4 - remainder 2 2 power 5 - remainder 4 2 power 6 - remainder 1 and so on...
Basically we need to find out the remainder of 2 power 5120.
We can separate the series above like this:
Remainder 2 series - 2^1,2^4,2^7.... Remainder 4 series - 2^2,2^5,2^8.... Remainder 1 series - 2^3,2^6,2^9....
So if we find out into which series 5120 falls we know the remainder. This can be done by using the progressions formula. nth term of a AP is = a + (n-1)d. Putting values for each we get that 5120 belongs to the remainder 4 series.
Hence remainder is 4.
Aren't you suppose to use GP formula with exponents ?
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Quote: What is the remainder for
(32 ^ 32 ^ 32 ) / 7 ?
Will give the answers tomorrow.
Please post your answers with reasoning. 32^1 = 3 2 - units digit = 2
31^2 = 3 2*3 2 - units digit = 4
32^3 = 3 2*3 2*3 2 - units digit = 8
32^4 = 3 2*3 2*3 2*3 2 - units digit = 6
32^5 = 3 2*3 2*3 2*3 2*3 2 - units digit = 2
the pattern is: 2,4,8,6,2,4,8,6, etc. at the 32nd term the cycle ends on a 6.
now, the cycle restarts for 32 more iterations. but this time the cycle starts at 6: 6, 2, 4, 8, 6, 2, 4, 8 etc. the 32nd term ends on a 8. my answer, 8/7 = 1
Please post the OA and the OR
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2^5 does leave a remainder of 4.
But I'm still getting 4 as the remainde.
OA anyone?
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KillerSquirrel..
the progressions here are for the exponents not the values itself..
The progressions would be:
1,4,7...... is 5120 in here ? If so remainder 2
2,5,8...... is 5120 in here ? If so remainder 4
3,6,9...... is 5120 in here ? If so remainder 1
all the above are APs. hence to find out which progression has 5120 as its member we put in the nth of AP formula.
Do you agree ?
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veekayem wrote: KillerSquirrel..
the progressions here are for the exponents not the values itself..
The progressions would be:
1,4,7...... is 5120 in here ? If so remainder 2 2,5,8...... is 5120 in here ? If so remainder 4 3,6,9...... is 5120 in here ? If so remainder 1
all the above are APs. hence to find out which progression has 5120 as its member we put in the nth of AP formula.
Do you agree ?
I understand ! very nice , solving for AP where
AP = a + (n-1)d
a = first value = 1,2,3
d = difference = 3
will give you:
Group 1 (numbers with remainder 2) 5120 = 1 + (n-1)*3 ,n = 1,707,3333
Group 2 (numbers with remainder 4) 5120 = 2 + (n-1)*3, n = 1,707
Group 3 (numbers with remainder 1) 5120 = 3 + (n-1)*3, n = 1,706.666
so you claim that 2^5120 belongs to group 2 , hence with a remainder of 4,
this is a very clever thinking, but I think it's wrong !!
first of - your whole solution is based on the assumption that:
32^32^32 = 2^5120
I don't think this is correct ! can you please explain that logic ?
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KillerSquirrel wrote: first of - your whole solution is based on the assumption that: 32^32^32 = 2^5120I don't think this is correct ! can you please explain that logic ? 
This is based on the mathematical law of powers of powers:
i.e. a^b^c = a^(b*c)
Note: With exponents, it works from a bottom-up principle
Therefore a^b^c = (a^b)^c, not a^(b^c)
An example would be:
x^3^4
=(x^3)(x^3)(x^3)(x^3)
=x^12
=x^(3*4)
With the above in mind,
32^32^32
= 32^1024
= (2^5)^1024
= 2^5120
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I took the liberty to summarize the above posts:
the remainder is clearly 4.
(32^32^32)/7 = what is the remainder ?
Method one
32^32^32 = 32^(32*32) = 2^(5*32*32) = 2^5120
2 power 1 - remainder 2
2 power 2 - remainder 4
2 power 3 - remainder 1
2 power 4 - remainder 2
2 power 5 - remainder 4
2 power 6 - remainder 1
and so on...
The progressions would be:
1,4,7...... is 5120 in here ? If so remainder 2
2,5,8...... is 5120 in here ? If so remainder 4
3,6,9...... is 5120 in here ? If so remainder 1
using Arithmetic Progression formula:
AP = a + (n-1)d
a = first value = 1,2,3
d = difference = 3
will give you:
Group 1 (numbers with remainder 2) 5120 = 1 + (n-1)*3 ,n = 1,707.3333
Group 2 (numbers with remainder 4) 5120 = 2 + (n-1)*3, n = 1,707
Group 3 (numbers with remainder 1) 5120 = 3 + (n-1)*3, n = 1,706.666
2^5120 is parst of group 2, hence the remainder is 4.
Method two
32^32^32
32^1024 where (32 is 7*4+4) and we need only the remainder:
4^1024 = 16^512 where (16 is 7*2+2) and we need only the remainder:
2^512 = 4^256 = 16^128 where (16 is 7*2+2) and we need only the remainder:
2^128 = 4^64 = 16^32 where (16 is 7*2+2) and we need only the remainder:
2^32 = 4^16 = 16^8 where (16 is 7*2+2) and we need only the remainder:
2^8 = 4^4 = 16^2 where (16 is 7*2+2) and we need only the remainder:
2^2 = 4
the remainder is 4.
thanks all ( AdrianG, veekayem, Dek, vidyasagar, ggarr, waldeck55) for the fruitful discussion !!
we are still waiting for the OA !
Last edited by KillerSquirrel on 30 May 2007, 13:13, edited 1 time in total.
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Reminder is 1
In a question like above, reminder can be found out by multiplying reminders and dividing that with the original number
32/7= reminder 4
and we get 3 -4's and 4*4*4 =64
Divide 64/7 reminder 1.
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vijay2001 wrote: Reminder is 1
In a question like above, reminder can be found out by multiplying reminders and dividing that with the original number
32/7= reminder 4 and we get 3 -4's and 4*4*4 =64
Divide 64/7 reminder 1.
Is this true in any case?
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That is a super-duper simplification
But does it work. We seem to have contradictions.
What is the OA
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vijay2001 wrote: Reminder is 1
In a question like above, reminder can be found out by multiplying reminders and dividing that with the original number
32/7= reminder 4 and we get 3 -4's and 4*4*4 =64
Divide 64/7 reminder 1.
I think that the question ask for the remainder when (32^32^32)/7 not when (32*32*32)/7.
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Oops! I wonder if I ever get over my carelessness..
4! cannot be the reminder since the reminder has to be less than 7 and 4! is 24.
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