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What is the sum of all roots of the equation
|x + 4|^2 - 10|x + 4| = 24?


Please help me find my mistake:
Let x+4=y
Now we get two cases,
Case1:
y^2-10y-24=0
Solving we get -2,12

Case2:
-y^2+10y-24=0
where we get 6,4
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Re: sum of all roots of the equation [#permalink] New post 29 Oct 2009, 12:32
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I solve it by replacing |x+4| as k

so k^2-10k-24=0
(k-12)(k+2) = 0
k = 12 or -2
k can not be -2 because it is an absolute value
so
k = 12 = |x+4|
then
x+4 = 12, x = 8
x+4 = -12, x = -16
sum is -8
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What is the sum of all roots of the equation
|x + 4|^2 - 10|x + 4| = 24?


Please help me find my mistake:
Let x+4=y
Now we get two cases,
Case1:
y^2-10y-24=0
Solving we get -2,12

Case2:
-y^2+10y-24=0
where we get 6,4


This is a good question.

Let me show you how I've solved, maybe it'll help:

We have |x + 4|^2 - 10|x + 4| = 24

|x + 4| flip sign at x=-4, so we should check two ranges:

1. x<=-4
(x+4)^2 + 10x+40=24 ((x+4)^2 as it's square will be the same in both ranges)

x^2+8x+16+10x+16=0 --> x^2+18x+32=0.
Solving for x: x=-16 or x=-2. x=-2 won't work as x<=-4 (see the defined range), hence we have only one solution for this range x=-16.

2. x>-4
(x+4)^2 - 10x-40=24 --> x^2-2x-48=0.
Solving for x: x=-6 or x=8. x=-6 wont work as x>-4, hence we have only one root for this range x=8.

-16+8=-8.

Answer: the sum of all roots of the equation is -8.
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Correct me:

I solved from where the author of the problem left it. that is:
y = -2 or 12
Hence, considereding + values of |x+4|, i.e. x+4 = -2 or 12, which gives us x = -6 or 8

Considering - values of |x+4|, i.e. -x-4 = -6 or 4, which gives us x = -2 or 8.

Sum of all, -6+8-2+8 = 8.
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IMO -16.

Take y = |x+4 | and solve for y, then solve for |x+4| , we get x=-16,8,-2,-6, sum = -16.
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Economist the problem is that -2 and -6 doesn't satisfy the equation. Thus only two values of x are left -16 and 8: -16+8=-8.

Consider this:
|x + 4|^2 - 10|x + 4| = 24
Solve for |x+4 | --> |x+4 |=12 OR |x+4 |=-2, BUT as absolute value never negative thus -2 is out. Solving |x+4 |=12 --> x_1=8 or x_2=-16 --> x_1+x_2=8-16=-8.

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|x+4| = y
gives y^2 -10y -24 = 0

y = -2 and 12

|x+4| = 12 gives x = 8 and -16.

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Re: What is the sum of all roots of the equation [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2012, 00:10
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What is the sum of all roots of the equation
|x + 4|^2 - 10|x + 4| = 24?


Please help me find my mistake:
Let x+4=y
Now we get two cases,
Case1:
y^2-10y-24=0
Solving we get -2,12

Case2:
-y^2+10y-24=0
where we get 6,4



Let's try this with number line.
|x+4| = y ==> y^2-10y-24=0 ==> y = 12 or y = -2
Substitute the value of y
we have
|x+4|=12 or |x+4|= -2
Hmm.. can mod be a negative number? NO ==> Eliminate |x+4|= -2

Now we are left only with |x+4|=12
Lets draw a number line
.................................|x+4|.................................
<------------------------------------------------------------------------>
-16..............................(-4)................................8

Thus, two possible roots are -16 and +8
Sum of roots => -16+8=-8
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Re: sum of all roots of the equation [#permalink] New post 31 Oct 2009, 04:11
IMO -16.

Take y = |x+4 | and solve for y, then solve for |x+4| , we get x=-16,8,-2,-6, sum = -16.
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Re: sum of all roots of the equation [#permalink] New post 07 Oct 2010, 11:19
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jzd wrote:
I solve it by replacing |x+4| as k

so k^2-10k-24=0
(k-12)(k+2) = 0
k = 12 or -2
k can not be -2 because it is an absolute value
so
k = 12 = |x+4|
then
x+4 = 12, x = 8
x+4 = -12, x = -16
sum is -8


I liked that approach, is this always true?

thanks.


Not sure what part you are questioning about
(1) You can always do a variable switch in an equation (|x+4|=y)
(2) |Any expression| is always greater than or equal to 0
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Re: sum of all roots of the equation [#permalink] New post 08 Oct 2010, 00:56
-8 for me. Once you solve the QE you get |x+4| = 6 or -4. -4 is not possible so take the case |x+4| = 6 which means x = -10 or 2. So the sum is -8.
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Re: sum of all roots of the equation [#permalink] New post 08 Dec 2010, 08:38
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mxgms wrote:
jzd wrote:
I solve it by replacing |x+4| as k

so k^2-10k-24=0
(k-12)(k+2) = 0
k = 12 or -2
k can not be -2 because it is an absolute value
so
k = 12 = |x+4|
then
x+4 = 12, x = 8
x+4 = -12, x = -16
sum is -8


I liked that approach, is this always true?

thanks.


Not sure what part you are questioning about
(1) You can always do a variable switch in an equation (|x+4|=y)
(2) |Any expression| is always greater than or equal to 0



Shrouded: can we do this question by the approach you have mentioned in the walker post. .i.e |x-a|<b =>
a-b<x<a+b
or this approach is for specific questions.
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Re: What is the sum of all roots of the equation [#permalink] New post 17 Apr 2012, 06:04
Hi Buneuel,

Please help me with the basic understanding of the mod probs

when we have

|x+4|= |x-5|

We can two solutions

x+4= x-5
and
x+4=-x+5


but in this problem why do we check for ranges. I mean what s the step by step approach to attack a modulus question?
a few examples would be grateful
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Re: What is the sum of all roots of the equation [#permalink] New post 18 Apr 2012, 03:12
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Hi Buneuel,

Please help me with the basic understanding of the mod probs

when we have

|x+4|= |x-5|

We can two solutions

x+4= x-5
and
x+4=-x+5


but in this problem why do we check for ranges. I mean what s the step by step approach to attack a modulus question?
a few examples would be grateful


|x+4| can expand in two ways: if x<=-4 then |x+4|=-(x+4) and if x>-4 then |x+4|=x+4. So, we expand |x+4| for |x + 4|^2 - 10|x + 4| = 24 according to this and then solve for x.

Solution in this post might be easier to understand: what-is-the-sum-of-all-roots-of-the-equation-85988.html#p645659

For basic understanding check Absolute Value chapter of Math Book: math-absolute-value-modulus-86462.html

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Re: What is the sum of all roots of the equation [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2012, 02:20
tejal777 wrote:
What is the sum of all roots of the equation
|x + 4|^2 - 10|x + 4| = 24?


Please help me find my mistake:
Let x+4=y
Now we get two cases,
Case1:
y^2-10y-24=0
Solving we get -2,12

Case2:
-y^2+10y-24=0
where we get 6,4


Case 1: You mean y\geq{0}, right? Because |x+4|=y only if y is non-negative.
Only y=12 is acceptable. From |x+4|=12 we obtain x=8 and x=-16.

Case 2: Now y<0, so |x+4|=-y. But |x+4|^2=(-y)^2 is still y^2, doesn't matter that y is negative!
Your equation should be y^2+10y-24=0, solutions 2, -12. Now only -12 is acceptable (y must be negative), and we obtain the same solutions as in Case 1.

It would have been better to denote |x+4|=y\geq{0} (see other posts above). Then |x+4|^2=y^2, and for the quadratic equation y^2+10y-24=0 you choose only the non-negative root, then find x...
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Re: What is the sum of all roots of the equation [#permalink] New post 25 Sep 2012, 09:42
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What is the sum of all roots of the equation
|x + 4|^2 - 10|x + 4| = 24?


24 ends with 4 and 10|x+4| ends with 0. So |x+4|^2 should end with 4.
Options below 0 are out because of the absolute value.
Let's take the squares ending with 4: 2^2; 8^2; 12^2; 18^2 etc...

We find 12^2 - 10*12 = 24.

From here x_1=8 and x_2=-16, and the sum: -8.
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Re: What is the sum of all roots of the equation [#permalink] New post 06 Dec 2012, 02:12
It also took me time to understand how to get solutions for absolute values. But thanks to GMATClub...

Here is a detailed explanation on how you could solve for the roots http://burnoutorbreathe.blogspot.com/2012/12/how-to-get-solution-for-absolute-values.html

My answer: -8
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Re: What is the sum of all roots of the equation [#permalink] New post 03 Feb 2013, 18:02
Have a question. There are two scenarios -
1. x<=-4

2. x>-4

How do we determine whether to include equal sign (=) in first equation or second equation or does it not matter and can be included in any?
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Have a question. There are two scenarios -
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2. x>-4

How do we determine whether to include equal sign (=) in first equation or second equation or does it not matter and can be included in any?


It does not matter in which range you include 4.
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Re: What is the sum of all roots of the equation [#permalink] New post 03 Jul 2013, 06:43
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What is the sum of all roots of the equation
|x + 4|^2 - 10|x + 4| = 24?


Please help me find my mistake:
Let x+4=y
Now we get two cases,
Case1:
y^2-10y-24=0
Solving we get -2,12

Case2:
-y^2+10y-24=0
where we get 6,4




dude here the key
remember Bodmas childhood rule

now keep lx+3 l as a k and re write equation we get k = 12 or k= -2 and then now substitute the mod value
and remember mod can be negative or positive, as we dont know x and we are finding all possible values
we get 8 and -16 once and also we get -2 and -6 i guess so now add them all :)

wish u a very good luck and make a wish for me too :) :)


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Re: What is the sum of all roots of the equation [#permalink] New post 03 Jul 2013, 13:51
What is the sum of all roots of the equation: |x+4|^2 - 10|x+4| = 24

I. x+4 = y

|y|^2 - 10|y| = 24
y^2 - 10y = 24
y^2 - 10y -24 =0
(y-12)(y+2)
y=12, y=-2
OR
y^2 - (-10y) = 24
y^2 + 10y -24 =0
(y+12)(y-2)
y=-12, y = 2

Y = 10 or Y=-10
INSUFFICIENT

II. y^2 + 10y - 24 = 0
This tells us nothing about X in the stem.

I+II) This validates one of the two solutions available for |x+4|^2 - 10|x+4| = 24 (when we know what x+4 is from #1)
SUFFICIENT

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