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When rates were raised in 1985, postal service officials [#permalink] New post 23 May 2009, 18:32
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When rates were raised in 1985, postal service officials predicted they would make further rate increases unnecessary for at least three years.

A. they would make further rate increases unnecessary

B. they would mean that further rate increases would not be needed

C. that it would not be necessary for further rate increases

D. that the increase would make further rate increases unnecessary

E. further rate increases will not be needed
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Re: Rates [#permalink] New post 23 May 2009, 22:34
A. they would make further rate increases unnecessary - "they-no clear antecedent - rates or officials"

B. they would mean that further rate increases would not be needed - "they - no clear antecedent"

D. that the increase would make further rate increases unnecessary - wordy, uses increase twice

E. further rate increases will not be needed - missing adverb "predicted (that) further"

Answer: C
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Re: Rates [#permalink] New post 24 May 2009, 00:56
Predicted is a subjunctive, so i should be followed by "that"....IMO C is havinga pronoun reference error in "it"....I'll vote for D.....
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Re: Rates [#permalink] New post 24 May 2009, 07:01
it would is the same as it is, or there is, or other phrases like that, the "it" is not a pronoun for something else. D is a little more clear though, just seems wordy. IDK.
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Re: Rates [#permalink] New post 24 May 2009, 07:57
here "it" --> refers to an abstract idea .. it doens't refer to any noun/pronoun.


Will go with C.

D is wordy..and awkward
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Re: Rates [#permalink] New post 24 May 2009, 07:58
IMO: D
predict that...
C) it - pronoun ambiguity.
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Re: Rates [#permalink] New post 24 May 2009, 16:00
I will go with D , I also agree that D is wordy as compare to C; however C is having a pronoun ambiguity , Can some one please explain?
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Re: Rates [#permalink] New post 24 May 2009, 23:42
C is better.
In C "it" referes to further rate increase.
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Re: Rates [#permalink] New post 25 May 2009, 00:09
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here "it" --> refers to an abstract idea .. it doens't refer to any noun/pronoun.


Will go with C.

D is wordy..and awkward

"for further rate increases" in C is not idiomatic.
What makes further increases unnecessary? The increase. In C, it is difficult to follow whether "it" is referring to "the increase" or whether it is a placeholder "it"
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Re: Rates [#permalink] New post 25 May 2009, 04:04
D
It comes down to what the original intent of the statement was. I feel that the original statement implies that the rate raise would make further rate increases unnecessary. In A and B "they" is unclear. C and E change the intent of the original, leaving D, however wordy, the clear winner.

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When rates were raised in 1985, postal service officials predicted they would make further rate increases unnecessary for at least three years.

A. they would make further rate increases unnecessary

B. they would mean that further rate increases would not be needed

C. that it would not be necessary for further rate increases

D. that the increase would make further rate increases unnecessary

E. further rate increases will not be needed
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Re: Rates [#permalink] New post 25 May 2009, 09:10
In GMAT, every pronoun should have a clear and present antecedent....Pronouns cant refer to an abstract idea.....

x2suresh wrote:
here "it" --> refers to an abstract idea .. it doens't refer to any noun/pronoun.


Will go with C.

D is wordy..and awkward

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Re: Rates [#permalink] New post 25 May 2009, 12:08
what is the OA? I keep second guessing C. D and C are both grammatically correct,

the it allows the subject to come after the verb,

for example: it is strange for a man to wear lingerie.
Reconstructed: A man wearing lingerie is strange.

In this case: it would be unnecessary for further rate increases
Reconstructed: further rate increases would be unnecessary

the "it" is a pronoun for rate increases, and is used correctly here.
not 100% sure about the "for" being idiomatic, but I do think that it is.

Conclusion: Since C is more effective and less wordy, IF there is something wrong grammatically with C, then D is correct, if not, C is correct. I cannot find anything grammatically wrong with C, so I say C is correct.

they is obviously the pronoun error trying to be fixed here, and both C and D do fix it, E has a verb error with "will" being just the future tense, where would is the past subjunctive ( the officials predicted that the increase would instead of will. so it comes down to effective expression, where C is most effective.
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Re: Rates [#permalink] New post 25 May 2009, 13:09
in C, shouldnt it say "predicted..will", because it is future tense

i'll opt for D, tough one though.
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Re: Rates [#permalink] New post 25 May 2009, 14:39
no its a subjunctive clause. they predicted that it would is correct. the future tense cannot follow a verb in that manner. there is doubt that it "will" happen, so grammar, in an abstract way, created rules of expression that changed the verb to "would" to express this doubt. If it were present tense, such as the people predict that it will be, than that is fine, but in the past the second verb must change to would, the people predicted that it would be.
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Re: Rates [#permalink] New post 25 May 2009, 21:06
wow did not realise - a large thread had formed.

OA = D

In C - "it" is ambiguous and is not strong. If ask "What is it" or what is "It" referring to in the sentence - it gets murky.

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Re: Rates [#permalink] New post 26 May 2009, 00:12
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wow did not realise - a large thread had formed.

OA = D

In C - "it" is ambiguous and is not strong. If ask "What is it" or what is "It" referring to in the sentence - it gets murky.

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Do you have an OE? I dont think it is ambiguous in C
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Re: Rates [#permalink] New post 26 May 2009, 00:40
When rates were raised in 1985, postal service officials predicted they would make further rate increases unnecessary for at least three years.

A. they would make further rate increases unnecessary

B. they would mean that further rate increases would not be needed

C. that it would not be necessary for further rate increases


Sorry no OE.

However on C; if you ask the question "What would not be necessary for further rate increases?" - it does not parallel with the original statement.

What would not be necessary is - "further rate increases"; as BSD suggests there does seem to be a corruption of the initial intent.
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Re: Rates [#permalink] New post 26 May 2009, 05:43
bigtreezl I believe that C is not ambiguous, however, it changes the original meaning of the statement hence it is incorrect. Read my explanation earlier.
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Do you have an OE? I dont think it is ambiguous in C
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Re: Rates [#permalink] New post 26 May 2009, 13:38
oh lol. where is this from? just OG 11 or sth?
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Re: Rates [#permalink] New post 26 May 2009, 20:37
nightwing79 wrote:
When rates were raised in 1985, postal service officials predicted they would make further rate increases unnecessary for at least three years.

A. they would make further rate increases unnecessary

B. they would mean that further rate increases would not be needed

C. that it would not be necessary for further rate increases

D. that the increase would make further rate increases unnecessary

E. further rate increases will not be needed


Hi guys,
Very nice discussion indeed.
This question is somewhat testing your knowledge of English idioms. (C) is an attractive answer but it is idiomatically incorrect for this simple reason: "it is necessary for" must be followed by a person, a group of people, or some type of organization, not by an object or an abstraction.

Yes, (D) seems wordy but it is the correct answer. Adding "the increase" into the sentence does not make the sentence (I am stressing that point here) redundant but, rather, makes it clear.
Conciseness is the last thing you should worry about, as concise answers are always full of traps.
First and foremost, be grammatically correct and semantically clear.
The best sentence is not included in the answer choices as it would be evident to most of you and thus will not add any significant point value (as a reward) to the GMAT score of the more verbally inclined among you. :)
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