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When to use 'so that' and when 'so as to'?
Isnt C the most concise?

The ancient Romans piped hot water through the walls and under the floors so as to warm up the rooms.

A. so as to warm up the rooms
B. and so would be able to warm up the rooms
C. to warm the rooms up
D. so that they could warm up the rooms
E. in order that they would warm up the rooms
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 [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2006, 03:23
Actually, I'd go for C. It sounds correct, it is clear, and it is by far the most straightforward.
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 [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2006, 04:42
"to warm up the rooms" would have been better. Still, will go with C.
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 [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2006, 05:12
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A. so as to warm up the rooms
ok - idiom
B. and so would be able to warm up the rooms
out- wordy and tense pb
C. to warm the rooms up
out- up separated from the verb
D. so that they could warm up the rooms
out - wordy
E. in order that they would warm up the rooms
out - worse
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 [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2006, 06:44
This must be D.

"warm the rooms up" is not idiomatic. I have never seen split "warm up". If you go by the sound then you will definitely choose C.

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"so as to" is always wrong
correct is so........as to........
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 [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2006, 06:49
In D, they refers to what? Is the reference clear?
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Re: SC: to / so that / so as to [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2006, 07:43
jerrywu wrote:
quasars wrote:
When to use 'so that' and when 'so as to'?
Isnt C the most concise?

The ancient Romans piped hot water through the walls and under the floors so as to warm up the rooms.

A. so as to warm up the rooms
B. and so would be able to warm up the rooms
C. to warm the rooms up
D. so that they could warm up the rooms
E. in order that they would warm up the rooms


SO THAT....

(D)


Romans did X so that they could do Y~
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 [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2006, 08:14
Nah, "they" could as well refer to "walls" or "floors". D is unclear - no-go, IMO.
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 [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2006, 09:52
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Nah, "they" could as well refer to "walls" or "floors". D is unclear - no-go, IMO.


One more reason to choose A.

I wonder wood can warm up the room, coal can warm up the room, some person can warm up the room but how a wall and a floor can warm up the room. :roll: :roll:
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 [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2006, 10:40
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Nah, "they" could as well refer to "walls" or "floors". D is unclear - no-go, IMO.


One more reason to choose A.

I wonder wood can warm up the room, coal can warm up the room, some person can warm up the room but how a wall and a floor can warm up the room. :roll: :roll:


Haven't you seen roman therms?

Even in modern days you can have such systems - water circulating in tubes grabbed into the floor. As a result, the floor warms up the room and not coal or wood. Do you warm up your room by making fire right on you floor?
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 [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2006, 10:57
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Nah, "they" could as well refer to "walls" or "floors". D is unclear - no-go, IMO.


One more reason to choose A.

I wonder wood can warm up the room, coal can warm up the room, some person can warm up the room but how a wall and a floor can warm up the room. :roll: :roll:


Haven't you seen roman therms?

Even in modern days you can have such systems - water circulating in tubes grabbed into the floor. As a result, the floor warms up the room and not coal or wood. Do you warm up your room by making fire right on you floor?


Sorry if offended you but if you try replacing "they" with "walls" or "floors", sentence is a total non-sense.

If water is circulating in the walls then I won't say walls are warming up the room. Instead I will say water is warming up the room.
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 [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2006, 11:09
ps_dahiya wrote:
karlfurt wrote:
ps_dahiya wrote:
karlfurt wrote:
braindancer wrote:
Nah, "they" could as well refer to "walls" or "floors". D is unclear - no-go, IMO.


One more reason to choose A.

I wonder wood can warm up the room, coal can warm up the room, some person can warm up the room but how a wall and a floor can warm up the room. :roll: :roll:


Haven't you seen roman therms?

Even in modern days you can have such systems - water circulating in tubes grabbed into the floor. As a result, the floor warms up the room and not coal or wood. Do you warm up your room by making fire right on you floor?


Sorry if offended you but if you try replacing "they" with "walls" or "floors", sentence is a total non-sense.

If water is circulating in the walls then I won't say walls are warming up the room. Instead I will say water is warming up the room.


No worries, I didn't feel offended.
But if I follow your reasonment, then instead of saying "my electric heater" you say that " my electricity" is warming the room?

And when the room is too warm, you would say "shit, the water is too hot" instead of symply saying that your heater is too warm.

Here the water container can be the wall instead of the heater.
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 [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2006, 11:34
karlfurt wrote:
ps_dahiya wrote:
karlfurt wrote:
ps_dahiya wrote:
karlfurt wrote:
braindancer wrote:
Nah, "they" could as well refer to "walls" or "floors". D is unclear - no-go, IMO.


One more reason to choose A.

I wonder wood can warm up the room, coal can warm up the room, some person can warm up the room but how a wall and a floor can warm up the room. :roll: :roll:


Haven't you seen roman therms?

Even in modern days you can have such systems - water circulating in tubes grabbed into the floor. As a result, the floor warms up the room and not coal or wood. Do you warm up your room by making fire right on you floor?


Sorry if offended you but if you try replacing "they" with "walls" or "floors", sentence is a total non-sense.

If water is circulating in the walls then I won't say walls are warming up the room. Instead I will say water is warming up the room.


No worries, I didn't feel offended.
But if I follow your reasonment, then instead of saying "my electric heater" you say that " my electricity" is warming the room?

And when the room is too warm, you would say "*deleted*, the water is too hot" instead of symply saying that your heater is too warm.

Here the water container can be the wall instead of the heater.


My dear friend it all depends on the context. IMO, all these sentences are correct.

1. All my friends have water heaters so that they[friends] can warm up the rooms.
2. All my friends have water heaters that warm up the rooms.
3. Electricity is better than wood to warm up the rooms.

Anyway, I can not shape someone's opinion but will avoid to indulge in such conversations that are not fruitful to anybody.
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 [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2006, 19:33
quasars, only way out is to provide OA..to avoid these supernova explosions :lol:
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 [#permalink] New post 08 Sep 2006, 20:03
quasars wrote:
ak_idc wrote:
quasars, only way out is to provide OA..to avoid these supernova explosions :lol:


OA = D
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 [#permalink] New post 10 Sep 2006, 20:35
ps_dahiya wrote:

"so as to" is always wrong
correct is so........as to........


So 'so as to' should be replaced with 'to' if purpose is to show intention?
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 [#permalink] New post 10 Sep 2006, 21:07
if so as to is wrong, meaning only so .... as to is right, then it would be D.
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