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 [#permalink] New post 24 Oct 2007, 06:55
Fistail wrote:
Fig wrote:
Fistail wrote:
GK_Gmat wrote:
KillerSquirrel wrote:
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Fig wrote:
(C) for me :)

sqrt (9+x^2-6x)
= sqrt( (3-x)^2 )
= |3-x|


Fig can you pls. explain:

sqrt (9 + x^2 - 6x) = sqrt (x-3)^2

From this how do you arrive at :

= sqrt( (3-x)^2 )
= |3 - x|

I'm sorry; I just don't understand the logic behind this. I can arrive at the correct answer by plugging in but I cannot see how the answer is not x - 3 when solving algebraically. Obviously, I'm missing some basic concept. Can you explain? Thanks.


by definition |x| = sqrt(x^2)

since |x| have two scenarios -x or x and sqrt(x^2) have the same scenarios -x or x.

:)


Whew! Finally it makes sense. Thanks KS.


wait a second: it is true that |x| can have -ve or +ve values i.e. lxl = x or -x.

But sqrt(x^2) has only one i.e x not -x.


No... :)... In bold, we can only say : sqrt(x^2) = |x| :)

KillerSquirrel gave an exemple that proves it as well :)


Fig, I am still not convinced. I am in line with what Honghu and hobbit said here:

http://www.gmatclub.com/forum/t40319?po ... c&start=20


for me, sqrt (9+x^2-6x) = 3-x


It's not the same debate :)... y = sqrt(2*x) can only be positive or nul. But hobbit and HongHu said that y = the square root of () has another meaning...

I will draw u
> the function : sqrt (9+x^2-6x) in fig 1
> the function : 3-x in fig 2

These 2 draws show that there are not equal :)
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 [#permalink] New post 24 Oct 2007, 06:59
Fistail wrote:
Fig wrote:
Fistail wrote:
GK_Gmat wrote:
KillerSquirrel wrote:
GK_Gmat wrote:
Fig wrote:
(C) for me :)

sqrt (9+x^2-6x)
= sqrt( (3-x)^2 )
= |3-x|


Fig can you pls. explain:

sqrt (9 + x^2 - 6x) = sqrt (x-3)^2

From this how do you arrive at :

= sqrt( (3-x)^2 )
= |3 - x|

I'm sorry; I just don't understand the logic behind this. I can arrive at the correct answer by plugging in but I cannot see how the answer is not x - 3 when solving algebraically. Obviously, I'm missing some basic concept. Can you explain? Thanks.


by definition |x| = sqrt(x^2)

since |x| have two scenarios -x or x and sqrt(x^2) have the same scenarios -x or x.

:)


Whew! Finally it makes sense. Thanks KS.


wait a second: it is true that |x| can have -ve or +ve values i.e. lxl = x or -x.

But sqrt(x^2) has only one i.e x not -x.


No... :)... In bold, we can only say : sqrt(x^2) = |x| :)

KillerSquirrel gave an exemple that proves it as well :)


Fig, I am still not convinced. I am in line with what Honghu and hobbit said here:

http://www.gmatclub.com/forum/t40319?po ... c&start=20


for me, sqrt (9+x^2-6x) = 3-x


Fistail,

Not sure if this is your confusion and not trying to complicate things further, but ...
9+x^2-6x = (3-x)^2
So when you plug this back in the original equation, you get:
sqrt(9+x^2-6x) = sqrt((3-x)^2) = |3-x|

This means that
sqrt (9+x^2-6x) = +(3-x) OR -(3-x)

However, if you rearrange 9+x^2-6x to x^2-6x+9, you can get
x^2-6x+9 = (x-3)^2
Plug this back in the equation, you get
sqrt(x^2-6x+9) = sqrt((x-3)^2) = |x-3|

This means there are four solutions to this problem as follows:
sqrt(x^2-6x+9) = +(3-x) AND-(3-x) OR +(x-3) AND -(x-3)
In sum,
sqrt(x^2-6x+9) = |3-x| OR |x-3|

This is true and absolute value properties confirms this because:
|a-b| = |b-a|
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Re: Which of the following is always equal to sqrt (9+x^2-6x)? [#permalink] New post 19 Feb 2013, 03:04
This is true and absolute value properties confirms this because:
|a-b| = |b-a|


Bunuel/KArishma,
Is this always true?
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Re: Which of the following is always equal to sqrt (9+x^2-6x)? [#permalink] New post 19 Feb 2013, 05:09
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This is true and absolute value properties confirms this because:
|a-b| = |b-a|


Bunuel/KArishma,
Is this always true?


Yes, since both |a-b| and |b-a| represent the distance between a and b on the number line.

COMPLETE SOLUTION:

Which of the following is always equal to \sqrt{9+x^2-6x}?
A. x - 3
B. 3 + x
C. |3 - x|
D. |3 + x|
E. 3 - x

\sqrt{9+x^2-6x}=\sqrt{(3-x)^2}=|3-x|.

Answer: C.
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Re: Which of the following is always equal to sqrt (9+x^2-6x)? [#permalink] New post 19 Feb 2013, 06:16
Bunuel wrote:
Sachin9 wrote:
This is true and absolute value properties confirms this because:
|a-b| = |b-a|


Bunuel/KArishma,
Is this always true?


Yes, since both |a-b| and |b-a| represent the distance between a and b on the number line.

COMPLETE SOLUTION:

Which of the following is always equal to \sqrt{9+x^2-6x}?
A. x - 3
B. 3 + x
C. |3 - x|
D. |3 + x|
E. 3 - x

\sqrt{9+x^2-6x}=\sqrt{(3-x)^2}=|3-x|.

Answer: C.


amazing, I dont know why I fail/forget to consider |a-b| as the distance between a and b. I repeatedly commit this mistake..
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Re: Which of the following is always equal to sqrt(9+x^2-6x)? [#permalink] New post 20 Feb 2013, 21:31
Which of the following is always equal to \sqrt{9+x^2-6x}?

A. x - 3
B. 3 + x
C. |3 - x|
D. |3 + x|
E. 3 - x


Hi, can anyone explain me how to go abt this...the above answers have got a
lil confusing for me.

ill go one option at a time:

A. x-3

when we square x-3 it give x^2+9-6x
if we squareroot x^2+9-6x then we get the same exp...so for me this seems
to be an answer

B. 3+x

when we square 3+x it gives 9+6x+x^2
this is all positive unlike 9+x^2-6x given in the question, so not an answer

C. |3-x|

given sqrt{9+x^2-6x}

solving sqrt(3-x)

|3-x|=sqrt(3-x)

this too seems to be a possible answer

D. |3+x|

this will give 9+x^2+6x which is not equal to the equation given hence not
an answer

E. 3-x

=9+x^2-6x

this too seems fine

can anyone please clarify where im going wrong.... in all the options...


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Re: Which of the following is always equal to sqrt(9+x^2-6x)? [#permalink] New post 21 Feb 2013, 03:28
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Which of the following is always equal to \sqrt{9+x^2-6x}?

A. x - 3
B. 3 + x
C. |3 - x|
D. |3 + x|
E. 3 - x


Hi, can anyone explain me how to go abt this...the above answers have got a
lil confusing for me.

ill go one option at a time:

A. x-3


Notice that the square root function cannot give negative result: \sqrt{{some \ expression}}\geq{0}.

So, \sqrt{9+x^2-6x}=\sqrt{(3-x)^2}\geq{0}.

Now, in option A we have x-3, which can be negative if x<3, so A cannot be the correct answer.

Hope it's clear.
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Re: Which of the following is always equal to sqrt(9+x^2-6x)? [#permalink] New post 24 Mar 2013, 11:11
sqrt (9+x^2-6x) = sqrt( (3-x)^2 )
= |3-x|

sqrt (9+x^2-6x) = sqrt( (x-3)^2 )
= |x-3|

but we have only |3-x| as option, so "C"
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Re: Which of the following is always equal to sqrt(9+x^2-6x)? [#permalink] New post 13 Apr 2013, 06:51
From the property |X| = sqrt( X^2 )

| 3 - X | = sqrt ( (3 - X)^2 )
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Re: Which of the following is always equal to sqrt(9+x^2-6x)? [#permalink] New post 13 Apr 2013, 11:46
GK_Gmat wrote:
Which of the following is always equal to \sqrt{9+x^2-6x}?

A. x - 3
B. 3 + x
C. |3 - x|
D. |3 + x|
E. 3 - x


x^2 - 6x+9 = (3-x)^2 thus\sqrt{9+x^2-6x} = x-3 or 3-x this is equivel to /3-x/
Re: Which of the following is always equal to sqrt(9+x^2-6x)?   [#permalink] 13 Apr 2013, 11:46
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