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Re: 'Which' vs 'That' Debate [#permalink]
The usage of "that" to refer to people can be acceptable in certain cases in everyday English but we should remember that GMAT SC is only concerned with formal, business type English and in such a case, one should always use "who".

Also, this sentence is definitely wrong, GMAT or otherwise: "My son that works for a consultancy is coming home tomorrow."
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The usage of "that" to refer to people can be acceptable in certain cases in everyday English but we should remember that GMAT SC is only concerned with formal, business type English and in such a case, one should always use "who".

Also, this sentence is definitely wrong, GMAT or otherwise: "My son that works for a consultancy is coming home tomorrow."


'that' is not often used with people but it is certainly not incorrect to do so.

Check:
https://learnenglish.britishcouncil.org/ ... ve-clauses
https://www.perfect-english-grammar.com/ ... auses.html
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Re: 'Which' vs 'That' Debate [#permalink]
Thank you Karishma for this article - it would be really helpful if you please come up with some official questions on this concept.

And also some OG questions where 'that' has been used to refer to people.

Look forward to it.
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Re: 'Which' vs 'That' Debate [#permalink]
Hi!

I wonder about one element:

What is the exact difference (of course for the GMAT) between "Whose" and "Who"?

When do we apply one and the other?

Thank you :)
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Hi!

I wonder about one element:

What is the exact difference (of course for the GMAT) between "Whose" and "Who"?

When do we apply one and the other?

Thank you :)


Whose is the possessive form of who.
who is used in the subjective case and whose is used in the possessive case.

The lady whose son you met yesterday is standing there.

Focus on the clause - You met her son yesterday.
'whose' replaces 'her' (possessive) here.

The lady who owns this coffee shop is standing there.

The clause - She owns this coffee shop.
'who' replaces 'she' (subjective) here.
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Thank you Karishma for this article - it would be really helpful if you please come up with some official questions on this concept.

And also some OG questions where 'that' has been used to refer to people.

Look forward to it.


GMAT does not test 'who' vs 'that'.
For more details on this, check out the relative pronouns section of 'A Comprehensive Grammar of the English Language by Quirk, Greenbaum, Leech and Svartvik'.
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- Also, sometimes you can omit the relative pronoun of defining relative clauses. When the relative pronoun acts as the object of the relative clause, you can omit the relative pronoun.

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Example: My son who works for a consultancy is coming home tomorrow. – Incorrect
‘who’ is the subject of the verb ‘works’. You cannot omit the relative pronoun here.


That sentence isnt incorrect, right?
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- Also, sometimes you can omit the relative pronoun of defining relative clauses. When the relative pronoun acts as the object of the relative clause, you can omit the relative pronoun.

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Example: My son who works for a consultancy is coming home tomorrow. – Incorrect
‘who’ is the subject of the verb ‘works’. You cannot omit the relative pronoun here.


That sentence isnt incorrect, right?


As it is, the sentence is fine. It will be incorrect if we omit 'who'.
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jeffjose wrote:
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- Also, sometimes you can omit the relative pronoun of defining relative clauses. When the relative pronoun acts as the object of the relative clause, you can omit the relative pronoun.

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Example: My son who works for a consultancy is coming home tomorrow. – Incorrect
‘who’ is the subject of the verb ‘works’. You cannot omit the relative pronoun here.


That sentence isnt incorrect, right?


As it is, the sentence is fine. It will be incorrect if we omit 'who'.


Hi.. You might want to correct/edit this, as in the beginning it says the sentence is correct, while in the end it appears to be calling it incorrect. The intended message about omission of "who" is not clear.
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Hi.. You might want to correct/edit this, as in the beginning it says the sentence is correct, while in the end it appears to be calling it incorrect. The intended message about omission of "who" is not clear.


The sentence is correct in its current form. It would be incorrect to remove 'who' from it. That is the reason it mentions "Incorrect". I have added the words "to remove who" to clarify it further.
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Re: 'Which' vs 'That' Debate [#permalink]
Can you please suggest what is the difference between these 2 sentences

I’m going to wear the shirt which I bought in Paris. -- Shirt is not identified which shirt we are talking about ?

I’m going to wear the shirt that I bought in Paris. -- we care talking about a particular shirt ( green shirt) out of many shirts

Is my understanding correct ?
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Can you please suggest what is the difference between these 2 sentences

I’m going to wear the shirt which I bought in Paris. -- Shirt is not identified which shirt we are talking about ?

I’m going to wear the shirt that I bought in Paris. -- we care talking about a particular shirt ( green shirt) out of many shirts

Is my understanding correct ?


Both sentences mean the same - they both have defining relative clauses - one, a which clause, the other, a that clause.
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