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While digging in the Egyptian desert, huge fossil bones have been found by paleontologists, which appears to have been the second most massive dinosaur that ever lived.

A. huge fossil bones have been found by paleontologists, which appears to have been
B. huge fossil bones have been found by paleontologists, which appear to be from
C. it appears that paleontologists have found huge fossil bones that are from
D. paleontologists have found huge fossil bones from what appears to be
E. paleontologists have found huge fossil bones, which are from what appear to be
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Re: SC digging in the desert [#permalink] New post 19 Jul 2006, 16:07
A. huge fossil bones have been found by paleontologists, which appears to have been
====> passive voice, misplaced modifying clause which should refer huge fossil bones, huge fossil bones dig in the Egytian desert?? Subject of the main clause must be paleontologists.
B. huge fossil bones have been found by paleontologists, which appear to be from
====> same as A
C. it appears that paleontologists have found huge fossil bones that are from
====> awkward, "while digging in the Egytian desert" shows that we need paleontologists as a subject of the main clause.
D. paleontologists have found huge fossil bones from what appears to be
====> wrong. sv agreement. "bones" is plural but appers is sigular
E. paleontologists have found huge fossil bones, which are from what
appear to be
====> correct.

First, I picked D but I found that D has subject verb agreement err.
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 [#permalink] New post 19 Jul 2006, 16:22
D. paleontologists have found huge fossil bones from what appears to be

The adverbial modifier "while digging... " needs to be close to the noun it modifies, "paleontologists".

Options narrow to D & E.

E is ungrammatical construction.

Therefore, D.
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Re: SC digging in the desert [#permalink] New post 19 Jul 2006, 16:25
Doesn't "which are from what appears to be" sound conflicting?

On one hand we assert that the "fossils are" and on the other we say with some uncertainty that they "appear to be"?

"appears" refers to a singular dinosaur not the bones.

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A. huge fossil bones have been found by paleontologists, which appears to have been
====> passive voice, misplaced modifying clause which should refer huge fossil bones, huge fossil bones dig in the Egytian desert?? Subject of the main clause must be paleontologists.
B. huge fossil bones have been found by paleontologists, which appear to be from
====> same as A
C. it appears that paleontologists have found huge fossil bones that are from
====> awkward, "while digging in the Egytian desert" shows that we need paleontologists as a subject of the main clause.
D. paleontologists have found huge fossil bones from what appears to be
====> wrong. sv agreement. "bones" is plural but appers is sigular
E. paleontologists have found huge fossil bones, which are from what
appear to be
====> correct.

First, I picked D but I found that D has subject verb agreement err.
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 [#permalink] New post 19 Jul 2006, 16:54
D all the way,

first... if the bones could dig they would have dug themselves already :lol: so A and B have modifier error

C has "it" that is digging, also incorrect modifier

E WHAT APPEARS, not APPEAR, which is correct in D... what is subject and appears - verb... appears is correctly conjugated because "what" can be replaced with "IT"
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 [#permalink] New post 19 Jul 2006, 17:06
Well, after reading posts, I felt like stupid.
I am not afraid of choosing wrong answers but afraid of making the same mistakes...
Hopefully, all those mistakes that I made will help me to choose the right answers.
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 [#permalink] New post 19 Jul 2006, 17:24
freetheking wrote:
Well, after reading posts, I felt like stupid.
I am not afraid of choosing wrong answers but afraid of making the same mistakes...
Hopefully, all those mistakes that I made will help me to choose the right answers.


hey... don't feel stupid... we are here to learn something :!:
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 [#permalink] New post 19 Jul 2006, 18:36
Hey Freetheking,
Its not about feeling stupid... As U2 said, its about learning. You won't believe how stupid I feel most days when I am trying to solve quant problems.

And hope my comments didn't on your previous response didn't offend you... was just trying to understand your response. Sorry if I did...

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 [#permalink] New post 19 Jul 2006, 18:43
No.. not at all. Don't be.
Thanks U2 and Haas.
I've learnt a lot from u guys. Thanks :thanks
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 [#permalink] New post 19 Jul 2006, 18:49
I think its D as well.

If you look at the sentence carefully, yo will notice that the sentence talks about the "bones are from what APPEARS to be the second largest dinosaur"--here the relationship is between "dinosaur" and "appears", the bones are from what APPEARS to be a dinosaur..
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 [#permalink] New post 19 Jul 2006, 21:25
D all the way.

A/B/C have modifier problem.
Had to think a lot between D and E.
The bone of contention is whether appear should be in singular form or plural form.
CLearly appear doesnot refer to the bones, so read the sentence again and found that appear refers to the dinosaur(singular) hence appears is correct.
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 [#permalink] New post 20 Jul 2006, 00:04
I know it would seem odd for all of u but the OA is E I have also loookied around and seems that the explanation should be the following....Paleontologists(subject of sentence) didn't find the bones from the dinosaur, but the bones are from the dinosaur ( was posted in another place) I alos got cought by D.....
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 [#permalink] New post 20 Jul 2006, 00:13
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D all the way,

first... if the bones could dig they would have dug themselves already :lol: so A and B have modifier error

C has "it" that is digging, also incorrect modifier

E WHAT APPEARS, not APPEAR, which is correct in D... what is subject and appears - verb... appears is correctly conjugated because "what" can be replaced with "IT"


A Perfect D.... Good explanation u2...

The key here is that "what" is the subject for Appears...
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 [#permalink] New post 20 Jul 2006, 06:43
Yes this is D. But I have a question:

Which one is better if E don't have a S-V agreement error:

D. paleontologists have found huge fossil bones from what appears to be
E. paleontologists have found huge fossil bones, which are from what appears to be
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 [#permalink] New post 20 Jul 2006, 06:59
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Yes this is D. But I have a question:

Which one is better if E don't have a S-V agreement error:

D. paleontologists have found huge fossil bones from what appears to be
E. paleontologists have found huge fossil bones, which are from what appears to be


IMO D is still better, because "which...." introduces the non-essential information to the sentence and in this case it is quite important because the of the message and the emphasis on how old the bones really are and who do they seem to belong to.
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Yes this is D. But I have a question:

Which one is better if E don't have a S-V agreement error:

D. paleontologists have found huge fossil bones from what appears to be
E. paleontologists have found huge fossil bones, which are from what appears to be


PS Boss -- you have asked a wonderful question!. In fact on first reading the choices D and E, because I had not read carefully enough I was a bit troubled. However soon enough I realized the problem with E and ruled it out.

Now to your question - IMO, both choices would be correct insofar as the Grammar is concerned. However, the difference would be that of interpretation - when a relative clause such as WHICH has a comma preceding it, it is supposed to give a non-vital (like a by-the-way kind of) information - Example

Give me the red book, which is lying on the table.

Here which is lying on the table is a by-the-way-information

Now compare

Give me the red book which (or that) is lying on the table.

The ommission of comma in the second example makes the information (which is lying on the table) crucial to the interpretation of the sentence. In this case, I need the red book which is lying on the table; not the red book which COULD be lying underneath the table for arguments sake.

To put the same analogy -

In E, the information ", which are from what appears..." is presented as a by-the-way information. The digging has yielded fossils, which are from what appears to be the largest etc...

Another viewpoint - Compare the two sentences below.

1) The book lost in the library was recovered

2) The book which was lost in the library was recovered

The two sentences mean exactly the same thing. The addition of the relative clause (which was lost) is really not adding any value because it is clear "which book" it is we are talking about. The relative clause in 2 at best is making the sentence WORDY though not incorrect. In general therefore when the subject is immediately followed by an adverbial phrase acting as an adjective ("lost in the library" adverbial phrase modifies "the book"), the relative that/which can be omitted.

Would appreciate if you would let me know what you think..
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 [#permalink] New post 20 Jul 2006, 08:52
A quick note regarding this discussion.

In MGMAT SC book, chapter 5 provides a good discussion of the same concepts as Modifiers and Puntuated modifiers.

It discusses:
a. Essential & Non-essential modifiers (introduced which & that)
b. Modifiers introduced by who (whose) referring to person/group of people
c. Punctuated modifiers which are generally non-essential
d. introduction of a modifier by "which" referring to the immediate previous noun, rather than the complete phrase before the modifier.
It specifically says :
"In GMAT the modifier introduced by which will refer only to the immediately preceding noun and not the complete phrase"

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ps_dahiya wrote:
Yes this is D. But I have a question:

Which one is better if E don't have a S-V agreement error:

D. paleontologists have found huge fossil bones from what appears to be
E. paleontologists have found huge fossil bones, which are from what appears to be


PS Boss -- you have asked a wonderful question!. In fact on first reading the choices D and E, because I had not read carefully enough I was a bit troubled. However soon enough I realized the problem with E and ruled it out.

Now to your question - IMO, both choices would be correct insofar as the Grammar is concerned. However, the difference would be that of interpretation - when a relative clause such as WHICH has a comma preceding it, it is supposed to give a non-vital (like a by-the-way kind of) information - Example

Give me the red book, which is lying on the table.

Here which is lying on the table is a by-the-way-information

Now compare

Give me the red book which (or that) is lying on the table.

The ommission of comma in the second example makes the information (which is lying on the table) crucial to the interpretation of the sentence. In this case, I need the red book which is lying on the table; not the red book which COULD be lying underneath the table for arguments sake.

To put the same analogy -

In E, the information ", which are from what appears..." is presented as a by-the-way information. The digging has yielded fossils, which are from what appears to be the largest etc...

Another viewpoint - Compare the two sentences below.

1) The book lost in the library was recovered

2) The book which was lost in the library was recovered

The two sentences mean exactly the same thing. The addition of the relative clause (which was lost) is really not adding any value because it is clear "which book" it is we are talking about. The relative clause in 2 at best is making the sentence WORDY though not incorrect. In general therefore when the subject is immediately followed by an adverbial phrase acting as an adjective ("lost in the library" adverbial phrase modifies "the book"), the relative that/which can be omitted.

Would appreciate if you would let me know what you think..
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Haas would it be possible for you to share some of that material with us? May be through a sticky or something? Would be great help.
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 [#permalink] New post 20 Jul 2006, 11:28
Let me try to put up some part of it... Let me work on it and will post it soon.

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Haas would it be possible for you to share some of that material with us? May be through a sticky or something? Would be great help.
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 [#permalink] New post 20 Jul 2006, 11:46
ps_dahiya wrote:
Yes this is D. But I have a question:

Which one is better if E don't have a S-V agreement error:

D. paleontologists have found huge fossil bones from what appears to be
E. paleontologists have found huge fossil bones, which are from what appears to be


Good question.. i think E is better in this case..

E -- > They found fossil bones at some place(some place is implied) and these bones are from what appears to be ...

D -- > This doens't give the sense of place..

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