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While it is true that bee's vision is well suited to the task of identifying flowers by their colors, it is probable that flowers developed in response to the type of vision that bees have, rather than bees' vision developing in response to the flower color.

Which one of the following if true, most strongly supports the statement above?

a) many insects that have vision very similar to that of bees do not depend on perceiving an object's color.

b) some flowers rely on insects other than bees

c) the number of different species of flowers is greater than the number of different species of bees

d) many non flowering plants rely on bees

e) present-day bees rely exclusively on flowers on flowers for their food
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Re: CR LSAT: Try this one! [#permalink] New post 11 Sep 2008, 19:59
Not able to decide on anything.. will select A on an exam day..
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Re: CR LSAT: Try this one! [#permalink] New post 11 Sep 2008, 20:29
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While it is true that bee's vision is well suited to the task of identifying flowers by their colors, it is probable that flowers developed in response to the type of vision that bees have, rather than bees' vision developing in response to the flower color.

Which one of the following if true, most strongly supports the statement above?

a) many insects that have vision very similar to that of bees do not depend on perceiving an object's color.
b) some flowers rely on insects other than bees
c) the number of different species of flowers is greater than the number of different species of bees
d) many non flowering plants rely on bees
e) present-day bees rely exclusively on flowers on flowers for their food



lol..

C. if flowers develops color in response to the bee's vision, then the number of different species of flowers is greater than the number of different species of bees.
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Re: CR LSAT: Try this one! [#permalink] New post 11 Sep 2008, 20:59
bigfernhead wrote:
While it is true that bee's vision is well suited to the task of identifying flowers by their colors, it is probable that flowers developed in response to the type of vision that bees have, rather than bees' vision developing in response to the flower color.

Which one of the following if true, most strongly supports the statement above?

a) many insects that have vision very similar to that of bees do not depend on perceiving an object's color.

b) some flowers rely on insects other than bees

c) the number of different species of flowers is greater than the number of different species of bees

d) many non flowering plants rely on bees

e) present-day bees rely exclusively on flowers on flowers for their food


While it is true that bee's vision is well suited to the task of identifying flowers by their colors, it is probable that flowers developed in response to the type of vision that bees have, rather than bees' vision developing in response to the flower color.

Which one of the following if true, most strongly supports the statement above?

a) many insects that have vision very similar to that of bees do not depend on perceiving an object's color.

b) some flowers rely on insects other than bees

c) the number of different species of flowers is greater than the number of different species of bees

d) many non flowering plants rely on bees

e) present-day bees rely exclusively on flowers on flowers for their food

a) many insects that have vision very similar to that of bees do not depend on perceiving an object's color.OUT

b) some flowers rely on insects other than bees OUT

c) the number of different species of flowers is greater than the number of different species of bees -> This is APT since if this case were other ways then the number of different species of bees would have been greater since a bee can develop vision for number of flowers and therefore large number of bees with different visions..Rest all are irrelevant.Hence this is the best in the lot.IMO

d) many non flowering plants rely on bees OUT

e) present-day bees rely exclusively on flowers on flowers for their food OUT
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Re: CR LSAT: Try this one! [#permalink] New post 11 Sep 2008, 22:47
Gonna be C. The other options are out.
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Re: CR LSAT: Try this one! [#permalink] New post 12 Sep 2008, 04:56
oooof......took more than 5 minutes.....still not sure.....will go for B.

B says that there are some flowers that rely on insects other than Bees....that means most of the flowers rely on Bees and hence these flowers are developed in response to type of vision Bees have.
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Re: CR LSAT: Try this one! [#permalink] New post 12 Sep 2008, 06:51
bigfernhead wrote:
While it is true that bee's vision is well suited to the task of identifying flowers by their colors, it is probable that flowers developed in response to the type of vision that bees have, rather than bees' vision developing in response to the flower color.

Which one of the following if true, most strongly supports the statement above?

a) many insects that have vision very similar to that of bees do not depend on perceiving an object's color.

b) some flowers rely on insects other than bees

c) the number of different species of flowers is greater than the number of different species of bees

d) many non flowering plants rely on bees

e) present-day bees rely exclusively on flowers on flowers for their food


Bee's vision well suited for identifying flowers

2 possibilities

(1) F developed in a way easy to bee's vision

(2) B developed in response to flower color

We want some thing that says (1) The point we need is F depends on B and NOT vice versa.

I am not sure how we can say that (C) leads us to the above conclusion. This choice leaves a lot of room for assumptions based on # of F >/< B

I ended up choosing B. What is OA?
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Re: CR LSAT: Try this one! [#permalink] New post 12 Sep 2008, 07:56
bigfernhead wrote:
While it is true that bee's vision is well suited to the task of identifying flowers by their colors, it is probable that flowers developed in response to the type of vision that bees have, rather than bees' vision developing in response to the flower color.

Which one of the following if true, most strongly supports the statement above?
a) many insects that have vision very similar to that of bees do not depend on perceiving an object's color.
b) some flowers rely on insects other than bees
c) the number of different species of flowers is greater than the number of different species of bees
d) many non flowering plants rely on bees
e) present-day bees rely exclusively on flowers on flowers for their food


A -> OUT OF SCOPE. Because it talks about the vision of many insects, whereas the stimulus deals with flowers and BEES
B -> Maybe, but I do not know if it supports the conclusion that some flowers in question have developed in response to Bees' vision
C -> Seems more likely as the answer
D -> non-flowering PLANTS ?
E -> present day Bees depend exclusively on flowers for food. This does not seem to support. or does it ? not sure :(

I hold my breath and go with C on test day :(
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Re: CR LSAT: Try this one! [#permalink] New post 12 Sep 2008, 08:18
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bigfernhead wrote:
While it is true that bee's vision is well suited to the task of identifying flowers by their colors, it is probable that flowers developed in response to the type of vision that bees have, rather than bees' vision developing in response to the flower color.

Which one of the following if true, most strongly supports the statement above?

a) many insects that have vision very similar to that of bees do not depend on perceiving an object's color.

b) some flowers rely on insects other than bees

c) the number of different species of flowers is greater than the number of different species of bees

d) many non flowering plants rely on bees

e) present-day bees rely exclusively on flowers on flowers for their food


Bee's vision well suited for identifying flowers

2 possibilities

(1) F developed in a way easy to bee's vision

(2) B developed in response to flower color

We want some thing that says (1) The point we need is F depends on B and NOT vice versa.

I am not sure how we can say that (C) leads us to the above conclusion. This choice leaves a lot of room for assumptions based on # of F >/< B

I ended up choosing B. What is OA?


If there are more species of flowers than species of bees, than there is a greater likelihood of flowers adapting to a smaller variety of bees, than bees adapting to a larger variety of flowers.

also, the question doesn't ask if Bees' eyes are suited to seeing flowers, it asks for a statement that Strengthens "a greater probability that flowers adapted to bees"

hmm...am i making sense?
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Re: CR LSAT: Try this one! [#permalink] New post 12 Sep 2008, 13:58
bigfernhead wrote:
While it is true that bee's vision is well suited to the task of identifying flowers by their colors, it is probable that flowers developed in response to the type of vision that bees have, rather than bees' vision developing in response to the flower color.

Which one of the following if true, most strongly supports the statement above?

a) many insects that have vision very similar to that of bees do not depend on perceiving an object's color.

b) some flowers rely on insects other than bees

c) the number of different species of flowers is greater than the number of different species of bees

d) many non flowering plants rely on bees

e) present-day bees rely exclusively on flowers on flowers for their food


I don't get it...what would be the OA plz?
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Re: CR LSAT: Try this one! [#permalink] New post 12 Sep 2008, 20:35
Argument: Flowers developed in response to Bees vision.


a) many insects that have vision very similar to that of bees do not depend on perceiving an object's color. [ Other insects – out of scope ]

b) some flowers rely on insects other than bees [ Other insects – out of scope ]

c) the number of different species of flowers is greater than the number of different species of bees

d) many non flowering plants rely on bees [ non-flowering plants – out of scope ]

e) present-day bees rely exclusively on flowers on flowers for their food [Argument takes about Bees in general – not present day only]

Answer: C
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Re: CR LSAT: Try this one! [#permalink] New post 14 Sep 2008, 22:31
A.

The question is asking for evidence in favor of the conclusion (paraphrased) flowers evolved to suit bees, instead of bees evolving to suit flowers.

Option A says that other insects have the same vision as bees, but they don't use it to differentiate colors.
Which MEANS that that type of vision did not evolve for the purpose of distinguishing colors.
Which MEANS bees vision can differentiate colors and flowers evolved to suit that purpose, and not the other way around.

Also, mention of other insects does not automatically mean out of scope. Many GMAT questions refer to elements not mentioned in the question stem (eg: there is one on this forum in fact, something to do with global warming and destruction of coastal cities, and the correct answer mentions technology).
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Re: CR LSAT: Try this one! [#permalink] New post 14 Sep 2008, 22:40
C for me

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Re: CR LSAT: Try this one! [#permalink] New post 15 Sep 2008, 11:07
According to my gf's lsat professor - A) is the correct answer - Thinkblue's explanation below is the correct one.

I myself, chose B, because I didn't think that other insects were in the scope of the argument.

Thinkblue makes a good point that even though it's not talking directly about Bees, it doesn't necessarily means it's out of scope. Option A says Other insects have the similar vision as bees - so that would technically level the playing field when comparing other insects and bees.

thinkblue wrote:
A.

The question is asking for evidence in favor of the conclusion (paraphrased) flowers evolved to suit bees, instead of bees evolving to suit flowers.

Option A says that other insects have the same vision as bees, but they don't use it to differentiate colors.
Which MEANS that that type of vision did not evolve for the purpose of distinguishing colors.
Which MEANS bees vision can differentiate colors and flowers evolved to suit that purpose, and not the other way around.

Also, mention of other insects does not automatically mean out of scope. Many GMAT questions refer to elements not mentioned in the question stem (eg: there is one on this forum in fact, something to do with global warming and destruction of coastal cities, and the correct answer mentions technology).
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Re: CR LSAT: Try this one! [#permalink] New post 15 Sep 2008, 11:36
Hi everyone,
The stimulus is saying that flowers adapted to bees as the stimulus says that bees do not have a reason to adapt their vision in response to flowers. Answer choice A is correct because as many insects have vision very similar to bees and this provides evidence that supports the stimulus in that flowers developed in response to bees (and/or insects). The fact that they use "other insects" in this answer choice doesn't matter as it still supports the stimulus. Answer choice C is incorrect because it says the number of different species of flowers is greater than the different species of bees, while this may be true, the number of species is not discussed in the stimulus, nor does it explain who adapted to who like the chicken or the egg? Answer choice B is irrelevant as it is saying that flowers didnt adapt to bees and it actually weakens the stimulus.
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Re: CR LSAT: Try this one! [#permalink] New post 15 Sep 2008, 16:22
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Hi everyone,
The stimulus is saying that flowers adapted to bees as the stimulus says that bees do not have a reason to adapt their vision in response to flowers. Answer choice A is correct because as many insects have vision very similar to bees and this provides evidence that supports the stimulus in that flowers developed in response to bees (and/or insects). The fact that they use "other insects" in this answer choice doesn't matter as it still supports the stimulus. Answer choice C is incorrect because it says the number of different species of flowers is greater than the different species of bees, while this may be true, the number of species is not discussed in the stimulus, nor does it explain who adapted to who like the chicken or the egg? Answer choice B is irrelevant as it is saying that flowers didnt adapt to bees and it actually weakens the stimulus.


Great explanation. thanks so much!
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Re: While it is true that bee's vision is well suited to the [#permalink] New post 09 Aug 2012, 13:46
A is correct: It states a needed assumption that flowers don't develop color in response to other insects/reasons as opposed to bees.

The passage says that flowers developed color in response to bees' vision. Why? Possibly because bees' vision is well suited to the task of identifying flowers by their colors. Really? Other insects that are well suited as well would negate this. Maybe the flowers developed color in response to something besides a bee. Maybe it was another insect that relies on a flower's color. "A" supports the passage because it eliminates the fact that the flowers would develop color in response to something other than bees, which would destroy the argument.

This is a cause and effect argument that bees' vision caused the flowers to develop color. The effect is the flowers developing color. How do you attack or support cause and effect? Show that something else caused the effect is one way.

B is wrong: Some flowers rely on insects other bees. It weakens the argument because flowers that rely on other insects may develop color because of other insects. Which would negate the argument that flowers developed color in response to bees.

C is wrong: Huh? Doesn't matter.

D is wrong: Many nonflowering plants rely on bees. We're trying to prove that flowers developed color in response to bees' vision and you want to talk about nonflowering plants relying on bees? How does this help the argument that flowers developed color in response to bees' vision? It doesn't. Who cares about the nonflowering plants? We're talking about bees' vision and nothing else causing color in flowers.

E is wrong: This may weaken the argument. How? It states that bees rely on flowers which would mean that the bees would have to adapt their eye sight to the flowers which is the opposite of the argument.
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Re: While it is true that bee's vision is well suited to the [#permalink] New post 09 Aug 2012, 15:39
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I'm going with A here too, great explanations from thinkblue and JC. icandy also had a good breakdown of the premises and conclusion.

I just want to add to the discussion, "out of scope" is NOT the same as "surprising." Often on strengthen/weaken questions, the answer WILL in fact be a surprise. Out of scope means that the answer changes the focus of the argument. For example, if I offered answer choice (f)

Cousins of bees, wasps' vision evolved by way of a retinal mutation that gave them color-detecting cones similar to those found in humans.

That would be out of scope, because I have no way to link wasp-vision to bee-vision (I tried really hard!). Notice how obviously out of scope this is. Truly out of scope answers are actually pretty rare on the GMAT.
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Re: While it is true that bee's vision is well suited to the [#permalink] New post 09 Aug 2012, 17:34
I'm preparing for the LSAT. This question is from an LSAT although it might have been used on a GMAT. Out of scope answer choices can be very subtle on the LSAT.

Wild cheetahs live in the African grasslands. Previous estimates of the size that the wild cheetah population must be in order for these animals to survive a natural disaster in the African grasslands region were too small, and the current population barely meets the previous estimates. At present, however, there is not enough African grassland to support a wild cheetah population larger than the current population.
The statements above, if true, most strongly support which one of the following conclusions?
(A) Previous estimates of the size of the existing wild cheetah population were inaccurate. Changes scope slightly by discussing the estimates of the size of the existing wild cheetah population instead of the estimates on what they must be in order to survive. Clearly the estimates were inaccurate because they mentioned that they were too small; however, in this answer choice they mention that the estimates of the current population were inaccurate. Slight scope shift.
(B) The cheetah’s natural habitat is decreasing in size at a faster rate than is the size of the wild cheetah population.
(C) The principal threat to the endangered wild cheetah population is neither pollution nor hunting, but a natural disaster.
(D) In the short term, the wild cheetah population will be incapable of surviving a natural disaster in the African grasslands.
(E) In regions where land is suitable for cheetah habitation, more natural disasters are expected to occur during the next decade than occurred during the past decade.
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Re: While it is true that bee's vision is well suited to the [#permalink] New post 10 Aug 2012, 06:25
I would still go with C .
A is wrong because ,it only states that other insects that have vision very similar to that of bees do not depend on perceiving an object's color.
Whats wrong if they depend on perceiving an objects colour?? The other insects need not exhibit the same behavior as that of the bees.Hence they might rely on the colour of the flower but do not have the option to modify the color of the flower .
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