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# Who should give a recommendation?

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24 Nov 2005, 03:25
Who is the best person for giving a recommendation?

This is the criteria that I can think of. I wonder what is the most important.
- Position in the company.
- School the recommender went to.
- How closely the recommender worked with the applicant.
- The company the recommender works in.

Would it be better to get a recommendation from an executive at, for example, Goldman Sachs, who used to be my boss's boss and is a HSW graduate or to get my boss's recommendation?
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24 Nov 2005, 16:36
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I'll give you the rank as I see it, starting with the most important:

1. How closely the recommender worked with the applicant. (10X more important than the next three!!!)

Bringing up the rear...
2. Position in the company.
3. School the recommender went to.
4. The company the recommender works in.

What's most important, BY FAR, is how well the recommender knows you, how specific and clear his/her examples are when describing you, and how well his/her reco aligns with the message in yoru overall app.

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27 Nov 2005, 07:38
Hi Scott,

This issue is exactly what I am struggling with now. Could you pls help rank these people in terms of who should be my two recommenders for applying to a certain school?

Background: My company is hiring a consulting firm for a strategic project, and I am a team leader who works closely with the consultants for that project.

Choice of my recommenders are...
1. My previous boss from my 1st job (in my current company), who is an Executive Vice President: Should write me an outstanding letter.
2. My previous boss from my 2nd job (also in my current company), who is a Senior Executive Vice President and also in a Board of Director: Possible to write me an outstanding letter.
3. My other previous boss from my 2nd job who is a Vice President: Should write me an outstanding letter.
4. A partner from the consulting company, which I am working with, who has known me for half a year, but graduated from that school.
5. An esteemed person who has not worked with me, but graduated from that school, and seem to be very influential on that school's admissions.

My concerns are:
1. Since there are a wide range of hierarchy in my company, there are several positions as mentioned: namely, Senior Executive Vice President, Executive Vice President, Vice President. I wonder if the admissions can understand implications of each position well (since such wide range of ranks might not exist in the other company.) Suppose all of them can write me an outstanding LOR, should I try to get a letter from the guy with the highest rank?

2. If the school requires only two LOR, is it strongly discouraged to submit the 3rd LOR, esp. when the 3rd one is a introducing letter from an esteemed person?

3. Following my previous question, if I can get a LOR from an esteemed person who graduated from that school, but has not worked with me, should I just ask him for a one-paged supporting letter, or for a full-formed LOR?

4. What if I just get two LORs from my previous bosses who are of same ranks, such as VPs, and are nobodys (esp. to the admissions committee), but can write me outstanding letters?

Looking forward to your replies. Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving!
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27 Nov 2005, 07:57
Hi again, Scott.

Following my previous and very recent post, I have extended my choice of my recommenders a bit more. I would really appreciate your comments on choosing each of them.

1. My previous boss from my 1st job (in my current company), who is an Executive Vice President: Should write me an outstanding letter.
2. My previous boss from my 2nd job (also in my current company), who is a Senior Executive Vice President and also in a Board of Director: Possible to write me an outstanding letter.
3. My other previous boss from my 2nd job who is a Vice President: Should write me an outstanding letter.
4. A partner from the consulting company, which I am working with, who has known me for half a year, but graduated from that school.
5. A consultant from the same consulting company, who also graduated from that school and has worked rather closely with me, but has known me for half a year as well.
6. An esteemed person who has not worked with me, but graduated from that school, and seems to be very influential on that school's admissions.
7. My Ph.D. instructor from undergrad college who can surely write me an outstanding letter about my performance and leading roles in college activities. However, I graduated almost 5 years ago, and already got a Master's degree from a university in US.
8. As esteemed person who can comment on my community project.

Sorry that my questions is quite long and detailed. I deem my selection of recommenders quite important for my app so want to be very careful.

Thank you.
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27 Nov 2005, 14:47
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Here's my rank, starting with the one I would use first, using the numbers you used. One caveat is that I don't know how long ago you worked in your first and second jobs. If that was 5+ years ago, then those recommendations won't be worth much. Assuming that it wasn't that long ago...

2 & 3
1
5
4
6
8
7

Above all, you should always choose someone who has worked (in the workplace) with you rather than someone who merely knows you, no matter what school they went to.

Scott
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03 Dec 2005, 08:57
Scott,

Thank you for your replies, and sorry that I didn't make my 1st question clear.

What I meant was the lag time between my 1st and 2nd tasks was only one year, so I guess it doesn't matter much whether I get an LOR from my 1sk task boss or from my 2nd ?

Thank you.
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03 Dec 2005, 10:01
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I think that a year's time is enough to make a difference, so I would go with the more recent one, UNLESS you think you can get a much stronger reco from the person in your 1st job.

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