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Will my law school GPA kill my chances? [#permalink] New post 24 Jun 2004, 09:29
(I also posted this on MBA Game Plan... sorry for the redundancy)

I need some advice here. My undergraduate GPA was 3.3 at a top 30 university (liberal arts degree). After school, I worked for 2 years as a financial analyst at an investment bank and was promoted 4 times during that time. While I was working, my bank paid for me to take two accounting classes at Harvard Extention School (got 2 As).

But here is the kicker, for unexplainable purposes, I quit my job and decided to apply to law school. I got into a 2nd tier school and have just finished my 2nd year there. My GPA from each progressive semester is as follows: 2.4, 2.67, 3.0 and 3.18. Right now my average GPA is about 2.8 (for those of you who may use this to solve a GMAT question, I must let you know that some of my classes were P/F).

My professional experience during law school has not been oriented towards business (i.e. clerk for judge, pro bono experience, etc.). I have tried to weave myself back into the banking industry during school, but the top banks exclusively hire MBA students during the summer. I really want to get into a management consulting program, but am really distraught over my current law school GPA. How much will these grades impact my admission chances?

Further, I have yet to take a calculus class and wanted to know whether enrolling now would be "greatly" beneficial. Any insight into this situation and the weight of my GPA would be greatly appreciated.
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Law School GPA [#permalink] New post 17 Jul 2004, 20:08
Greetings,

I'm not so sure that the law school GPA is the biggest issue to resolve. The greatest issue is probably the "Why an MBA" one. Some MBA programs might wonder why you did not pursue an MBA in the first place or why you did not take an JD/MBA program. This issue is not can be overcome but it is probably one that others will ask (including recruiters).
It is paramount that evaluators view you as transitioning into business from a position of strength rather than as an attempt to shore up a weak academic record.

I do not stress the Law School GPA because law is generally recognized as a difficult subject and probably has limited predictive power with regard to quant work in business school.

The ugrad record is a bit difficult to interpret because the institution is very vague and "liberal arts" is extremely vague as well (Humanities?).


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Re: Will my law school GPA kill my chances? [#permalink] New post 19 Jul 2004, 21:04
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(I also posted this on MBA Game Plan... sorry for the redundancy)

I need some advice here. My undergraduate GPA was 3.3 at a top 30 university (liberal arts degree). After school, I worked for 2 years as a financial analyst at an investment bank and was promoted 4 times during that time. While I was working, my bank paid for me to take two accounting classes at Harvard Extention School (got 2 As).

But here is the kicker, for unexplainable purposes, I quit my job and decided to apply to law school. I got into a 2nd tier school and have just finished my 2nd year there. My GPA from each progressive semester is as follows: 2.4, 2.67, 3.0 and 3.18. Right now my average GPA is about 2.8 (for those of you who may use this to solve a GMAT question, I must let you know that some of my classes were P/F).

My professional experience during law school has not been oriented towards business (i.e. clerk for judge, pro bono experience, etc.). I have tried to weave myself back into the banking industry during school, but the top banks exclusively hire MBA students during the summer. I really want to get into a management consulting program, but am really distraught over my current law school GPA. How much will these grades impact my admission chances?

Further, I have yet to take a calculus class and wanted to know whether enrolling now would be "greatly" beneficial. Any insight into this situation and the weight of my GPA would be greatly appreciated.


It is hard to say how beneficial a calculus class would be, but I do think it would help you. I also recommend you take statistics. Obviously you need A's in both these classes and you also need to maintain or preferably raise your law school grades. Can you do all of this and apply?

How much will your law school grades affect you admissions chances?Hard to say. They certainly will affect your chances, but I don't think they will doom them. You may have to apply to more schools or more schools outside the top ten. Also, you will need to explain that you started law school and discovered it simply wasn't for you. Then provide concrete examples of what you prefer about business and point to whatever academic success you can to support your contention that your talents lie in business and not in law.

Finally, you will need a high GMAT to show that you have the raw talent for b-school.

The poster who commented that you will need to provide your rationale for pursuing law and changing your mind while showing that the legal experience is still a valuable one that makes you a better candidate and reinforces your interest in business is right. You don't want to just be fleeing a bad law school experience; you want to be going towards a desired and positive goal.

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Sorry for the late response... [#permalink] New post 12 Aug 2004, 21:52
Thank you very much for the advice... very helpful. I actually just took the GMAT and got a 730, which was MUCH better than I ever scored on my LSAT. Based on both of the posts, as well as various conversations I have had with current b-school students and my Kaplan instructor (who worked admissions at NYU), my application and essays will be extremely important and must take a lot of thought.

At this point, my first choice school is still USC, but I I certainly don't feel confident about getting into any school with my law school GPA. I figure the GMAT can only help me at this point and if it doesn't work... well, it just doesn't work.

Regardless, thank you very much for the time (if you still read these past posts). This website is great resource and I have referred it to just about every person who has said "data sufficiency" and "3:4:5 pythagorean triplet" in the same sentence (trust me, it was a lot). I'll let you know how it goes... thanks.
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 [#permalink] New post 13 Aug 2004, 07:34
Perhaps this will interest you . . .

Texas "How do I calculate my GPA?/What is upper division coursework?
The Graduate and International Admissions Center (GIAC) recalculates your GPA using only upper-division coursework and any non-professional graduate work. The GPA is based on a 4.0 scale. Upper-division coursework is loosely defined as courses taken during your junior and senior years (i.e., final two years of college). These classes are typically in your major (although non-major upper-level courses are also included in the GPA) and are taken above-and-beyond the basic core curriculum. GIAC will correct this information if it is incorrect."

While this is not the same as stating that professional school performance will be ignored, it is certainly treated in a different manner by some schools.

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Re: Sorry for the late response... [#permalink] New post 13 Aug 2004, 14:50
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Thank you very much for the advice... very helpful. I actually just took the GMAT and got a 730, which was MUCH better than I ever scored on my LSAT. Based on both of the posts, as well as various conversations I have had with current b-school students and my Kaplan instructor (who worked admissions at NYU), my application and essays will be extremely important and must take a lot of thought.

At this point, my first choice school is still USC, but I I certainly don't feel confident about getting into any school with my law school GPA. I figure the GMAT can only help me at this point and if it doesn't work... well, it just doesn't work.

Regardless, thank you very much for the time (if you still read these past posts). This website is great resource and I have referred it to just about every person who has said "data sufficiency" and "3:4:5 pythagorean triplet" in the same sentence (trust me, it was a lot). I'll let you know how it goes... thanks.


Congratulations on the GMAT! That's great news and does enhance your chances.

Now that you are moving past the GMAT, let me refer you to another great resource: Accepted.com. You will find there admissions advice, essay tips, the MBA INterview Feedback Database, MBA admissions ebooks, online chat with admissions directors, a monthly ezine, and professional advising and editing services.

Good luck!
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