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Within the first few weeks of school, the new teacher discovered that there was limited parental involvement and an abundance of administrative hassle. a) the new teacher discovered that there was limited parental involvement b) the new teacher discovered that there were limited parental involvement c) the new teacher discovered limited parental involvement d) the new teacher would discover that there was limited parental involvement e) the new teacher had discovered that there was limited parental involvement
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09 Sep 2010, 23:37
I am not convinced of (B), why do you think (A) is wrong ? Consider a simpler sentence to demonstrate : There is/are a boy and a girl in the playground. The use of "is" does not seem incorrect in this context. Here is another resource from the web where this point is argued out : http://www.englishforums.com/English/ThereIsAre/cchzm/post.htmIn summary I think there is nothing wrong with the original sentence, Hence A
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shrouded1 wrote: I am not convinced of (B), why do you think (A) is wrong ? Consider a simpler sentence to demonstrate : There is/are a boy and a girl in the playground. The use of "is" does not seem incorrect in this context. Here is another resource from the web where this point is argued out : http://www.englishforums.com/English/ThereIsAre/cchzm/post.htmIn summary I think there is nothing wrong with the original sentence, Hence A "A car and a truck are traveling at over 60mph." "A boy and a girl are in the playground." "There are a boy and a girl in the playground." I know it seems weird, but the MGMAT book stressed this, and said to watch out for it on the GMAT.
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What ia the OA? Posted from my mobile device 
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A seems correct. Ths use of "Were" in B is incorrect. "There was limited parental involvement" means "Parental involvement was limited" So the verb will modify 'involvement" . So "Was" is the appropriate usage here.
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iPinnacle wrote: A seems correct.
Ths use of "Were" in B is incorrect.
"There was limited parental involvement" means "Parental involvement was limited"
So the verb will modify 'involvement" . So "Was" is the appropriate usage here. But she discovered limited parental involvement AND an abundance of administrative hassle.
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I will go with B definitely. Reason: | Within the first few weeks of school, the new teacher discovered that there was limited parental involvement and an abundance of administrative hassle. |
Here the Sentence can be broken as follows: Subject: the new teacher Verb: Discovered Object Clause: there was limited parental involvement and an abundance of administrative hassle. As seen clearly the Object clause has changed the Ordering of Subject. So in the Object clause: Subject: limited parental involvement and an abundance of administrative hassle. Verb: was Clause: There. Flipping the Subject and Object in the Object clause: Limited parental involvement AND an abundance of administrative hassle WERE there. So the correct answer is B. Hopefully I have not confused more than I have explained.
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NewSc2 wrote: shrouded1 wrote: I am not convinced of (B), why do you think (A) is wrong ? Consider a simpler sentence to demonstrate : There is/are a boy and a girl in the playground. The use of "is" does not seem incorrect in this context. Here is another resource from the web where this point is argued out : http://www.englishforums.com/English/ThereIsAre/cchzm/post.htmIn summary I think there is nothing wrong with the original sentence, Hence A "A car and a truck are traveling at over 60mph." "A boy and a girl are in the playground." "There are a boy and a girl in the playground." I know it seems weird, but the MGMAT book stressed this, and said to watch out for it on the GMAT. The more I read, the more confused I get ... can you point me to the relevant section. Also consider the following sentences : There's a deer and a hog next to the pond There was John, Mark, and Tom at yesterday's gathering So both these sentences are incorrect as well ?
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Hey shrouded1, In the MGMAT book turn the page to Subject-Verb Agreement Sub Section - 'Flip It'. The two sentences: There's a deer and a hog next to the pond There was John, Mark, and Tom at yesterday's gathering According to my logic they are wrong. However they do sound right to the ear. Any Experts please ?
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Found it ! I think its time for me to shut down and relax now .... GMAT tomorrow, dont want to know any more rules or exceptions !!
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10 Sep 2010, 10:11
I will go with B
option A is incorrect. using "and " in the sentence is a clue to know that subject is in plural. so the verb should be in plural-"and"
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Re: Subject verb SC [#permalink]
10 Sep 2010, 10:13
whats wrong with c?
i dont like "there" in B
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shrouded1 wrote: NewSc2 wrote: shrouded1 wrote: I am not convinced of (B), why do you think (A) is wrong ? Consider a simpler sentence to demonstrate : There is/are a boy and a girl in the playground. The use of "is" does not seem incorrect in this context. Here is another resource from the web where this point is argued out : http://www.englishforums.com/English/ThereIsAre/cchzm/post.htmIn summary I think there is nothing wrong with the original sentence, Hence A "A car and a truck are traveling at over 60mph." "A boy and a girl are in the playground." "There are a boy and a girl in the playground." I know it seems weird, but the MGMAT book stressed this, and said to watch out for it on the GMAT. The more I read, the more confused I get ... can you point me to the relevant section. Also consider the following sentences : There's a deer and a hog next to the pond There was John, Mark, and Tom at yesterday's gathering So both these sentences are incorrect as well ? Yes, they are both incorrect. MGMAT (somewhere in the first few chapters, I think in the Subject-Verb Agreement chapter) specifically cites examples [strike]like[/strike] such as these. They also did mention something about British English being more lenient or logical towards singular/plural subjects, but I think it was in reference to singular groups of things. EDIT: Never mind, I see you found the rule. Good luck again!
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Re: Subject verb SC [#permalink]
10 Sep 2010, 20:51
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11 Sep 2010, 09:02
Guys ..next time I make an error like this ..I deserve a kick ...and I shd be barred from writing the exam
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12 Sep 2010, 13:41
The new teacher discovered that there were X and Y.
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Re: Within the first few weeks of school, the new teacher [#permalink]
15 Mar 2012, 14:13
Hi
I understand the solution B is right but my question is if in E , it has were instead of was would it be correct?
e) the new teacher had discovered that there was (were) limited parental involvement
Please let me know and why am I wrong if I am
I am always confused with the tenses.
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