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Re: Would appreciate some 'Snarky' love [#permalink]
Hey solerenegade - thanks for the additional info. Didn't see any direct questions in there except to vet the goals blurb and more input on schools so we'll focus the response there.

The stuff you said about what you want to do is fine but it's still not being well expressed as an actual statement of what you want to do. In other words, all you did is talk ideas. That's fine but you won't have room in your essays to do a whole lot of that. Your background does look like a good setup to a job at Amazon etc but you'll need to do more work to communicate this stuff in a straightforward manner. The discussion around goals can be helpful in an interview, it's just that you won't get to that stage if you're not focused and clear in the essays. We're not pushing back on what we understand of your interests/general target, just saying you need to express it better.

On the schools: This list is still confusing. Why aren't MIT and NYU on this list? We say that for two reasons: 1) you're emphasizing this 'nice guy' and community thing, and those are two that are known for it; and 2) they are the only schools we know of with actual programs around data analytics. The entire Booth mission or philosophy (or whatever) is built around an analytical approach to business studies but we mean something different here. You have completely overlooked the two schools that seem like absolute perfect fits to you, so that's a head-scratcher.

Anyway... no we're not (usually) that snarky. :-) (we have our moments...)

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Re: Would appreciate some 'Snarky' love [#permalink]
Thanks again EssaySnark! The kind of 'love' I am getting I can safely say Christmas has arrived early for me this year :)

Advice on both fronts - goals essay and looking into Sloan and NYU- has been well received and is being acted upon.

On the goals front, however, I have another question that perhaps you could throw some light upon. There is this debate whether industry experience can at times be a proxy/substitute for PhD to get into research and academia. To check that, I came up with this piece of info:-
https://www.kellogg.northwestern.edu/News_Articles/2013/06272013-new-senior-fellow-sanjay-kosla.aspx
Now this gentleman here is doing exactly what I intend to do at one of the schools I would want to be at. I have a simple query- does quoting such examples in my goal essays be considered positively? Maybe not quoting directly but tangentially as a data point?

Tell me what you guys think!

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Great question, solerenegade, and we're thrilled to see that you've taken our exchanges to heart thus far and have been pounding the virtual pavement and doing your research.

It's absolutely true, lots of bschools have adjunct professors who come from the business world. But these are people teaching a side class here or there, or coming in as an Executive in Residence, or guest lecturing or something. They're not doing the research.

That Kellogg announcement seems to dispute our assertion so let's look at the specifics of Mr. Khosla.

The very first thing we want to call your attention to is the grey hair. That dude is old. :-) At least, he is in comparison to you. He's gotta be in his... what, 60s or something? His LinkedIn says he was a Director at Unilever way back in 1977 (1977??? whoa).

Next is the Senior Fellow thing. No disrespect intended to Mr. Khosla, but that seems almost like a one-off. The trusty ol' Google machine turned up only one other "Senior Fellow" at Kellogg - this isn't a standard role there. He's not actually faculty, as far as we can see (he's not in the faculty directory). So we can't say exactly what he's doing there... and his LinkedIn doesn't give us many more clues. We're not sure what the deal is for him, and maybe his LinkedIn just hasn't been updated - he doesn't seem like a heavy user there.

The thing is, you stated a 10-12 year timeframe - and maybe that's putting you in line with what this guy's path has been. Sort of. But 10-12 years post-MBA is not what schools are expecting when they ask about goals. You could potentially still mention it, but it's definitely an atypical path ... and academia it's definitely not as lucrative as what most people are expecting down the road after getting the MBA.

As possibly gulp-worthy evidence, we go back to Mr. Khosla and this public Forbes profile.

We're not suggesting that you'll be at that level of earnings by the time you decide to start thinking about moving into research - hopefully you are!! But if you are, most adcoms are not going to buy this idea that you'll walk away from it at the prime of your life to go take a job at a university. Academic jobs just don't pay, especially not comparable to what you'd be getting after you've got some serious experience under your belt.

The problem with this is it's in the category of "sounds good" but it's such a nontraditional, and possibly nonbelievable, path that you aren't gaining anything by using it in your essays. If it's really what you intend to do, then don't let us talk you out of it - we're huge fans of telling the truth in the essays, and going after the dreams. That's how good essays are built; the conviction and the authenticity comes through. But if this is just an idea you're kicking around... something that you've toyed with because of the allure or romanticism involved... well, not sure it's a great strategy.

If you have evidence in your past of how you've done this already - if you worked on research projects in school and you apprenticed yourself to a rockstar professor and this is where your heart is - then you can totally make this work. But otherwise? It's potentially complicating your messaging in all sorts of ways and it can eat away at the credibility.

A nice rule of thumb to follow with bschool essays is, if they don't ask for it, don't go there. They haven't asked for a 10-12 year goal. Why muddy the waters?

All that being said: There's a way to pitch it if it's your passion. But if it's your passion, then we'd simply suggest you go for the PhD now instead. :-)

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