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Would REALLY appreciate a profile eval...please! [#permalink] New post 22 Jul 2007, 18:42
Hello Paul, thanks in advance. I really appreciate what you do here!

I am a white 24 year old male, and graduated with about a 3.4 from WP Carey business college (ASU.) I just took my GMAT and received a 690, but it was broken down as 39Q (59%), 44V (97%), and 6.0 essays.

I will be applying for Fall 2008, and at that time will have 3 years post college work experience and 4 years if you count my senior year at ASU.

I started as a financial adviser/stock broker and did that while finishing school, and then a few months after moved into a service role with a very large mutual fund company.

I am working on the volunteering part currently, but anticipate being above average in that category, I have some excellent leads and opportunities to make measurable differences i my community.

Interesting things about me...I am a triathlete, and will be competing in my 1st IronMan in November (just after 1st apps are due...), and was the youngest guy in my old firms history to pass my series 7 (20.)

I am looking to apply to U of Chi (Full or Part), Northwestern (full or Part), Yale, Harvard, and Dartmouth.

2 questions for you.
First, what do you think my chances are?

Second, in my current job, (which is providing phone based service to customers and brokers) I have an opportunity to move to a position where I would be helping new hires in their initial training, as a resource, with the possibility of becoming a 'Team Manager' as the months progress, or, there is a new position opening in a department that just moved to my site dealing more in IT, primarily with a company that provides software service to most mutual fund companies.
Neither role has any subordinates. Is their an advantage in applying from one position vs the other??

Thank you SO much for your help.

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Re: Would REALLY appreciate a profile eval...please! [#permalink] New post 24 Jul 2007, 19:13
Morepower4me wrote:
Hello Paul, thanks in advance. I really appreciate what you do here!

I am a white 24 year old male, and graduated with about a 3.4 from WP Carey business college (ASU.) I just took my GMAT and received a 690, but it was broken down as 39Q (59%), 44V (97%), and 6.0 essays.

I will be applying for Fall 2008, and at that time will have 3 years post college work experience and 4 years if you count my senior year at ASU.

I started as a financial adviser/stock broker and did that while finishing school, and then a few months after moved into a service role with a very large mutual fund company.

I am working on the volunteering part currently, but anticipate being above average in that category, I have some excellent leads and opportunities to make measurable differences i my community.

Interesting things about me...I am a triathlete, and will be competing in my 1st IronMan in November (just after 1st apps are due...), and was the youngest guy in my old firms history to pass my series 7 (20.)

I am looking to apply to U of Chi (Full or Part), Northwestern (full or Part), Yale, Harvard, and Dartmouth.

2 questions for you.
First, what do you think my chances are?

Second, in my current job, (which is providing phone based service to customers and brokers) I have an opportunity to move to a position where I would be helping new hires in their initial training, as a resource, with the possibility of becoming a 'Team Manager' as the months progress, or, there is a new position opening in a department that just moved to my site dealing more in IT, primarily with a company that provides software service to most mutual fund companies.
Neither role has any subordinates. Is their an advantage in applying from one position vs the other??

Thank you SO much for your help.

Brian


Morepower4me,

Sorry, but I don't see the kind of leadership, impact, and unusualness that you need to get into HBS, Chicago, Kellogg, or Tuck. Yale or Chicago part-time might be marginally doable, but I would not be optimistic. The lack of leadership and (thus far) community really hurts.

The first track, the one that might lead to Training Manager, might be slightly better if only because the second IT track is a very common profile (IT that is). But the decision should really be based on which position is most relevant to your long-term goals.

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Re: Would REALLY appreciate a profile eval...please! [#permalink] New post 25 Jul 2007, 07:52
Thank you so much for the honest feedback Paul!

I feel that I really can put together a strong volunteering effort, and one that can show leadership outside of work. I have been in touch with quite a few organizations and have found some opportunities that would really let me showcase my abilities.

In my job, I don't see any huge changes happening soon. I should be in that role to assist new hires (10+), but they won't be direct subordinates. Do you think that + leadership outside of work would be enough?

Lastly, since I have a Quant weakness (evidenced in GMAT breakdown) do you see an advantage in taking math classes?
My local community college has a "Quantitative Methods of Business" that I can take on-line and I am sure I can do well in it. But even so, it would be an A in undergrad courses, and at a Com College.

Would this be enough to convince the Admisson folks I am worth the gamble?

I am thinking if I am going to be spending an hour or so a night on that Community College Math class, maybe it would be better spent on the GMAT math. I have struggled (a lot) on the Quant section, and a 39 based on the questions I saw was about right, I didn't feel robbed. But if I honestly need more, I will lock myself in a room and do it. But I have spent probably 6-9 months working on this and would hate to start again if I didn't have to...

Thanks SO much Paul, it is appreciated more than words can say!!
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Re: Would REALLY appreciate a profile eval...please! [#permalink] New post 29 Jul 2007, 14:51
I have just found out that my GPA is 3.19 (or 3.33 major GPA.) I don't know how I could have been off on that, but I am.

What does this change? I have given up on HBS, but UChi, Kellogg, Yale & Dartmouth are still my top 4, and preferably full time. Does this force my hand on the GMAT issue, or could it still be overcome with killer essays and volunteer work?
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Re: Would REALLY appreciate a profile eval...please! [#permalink] New post 01 Aug 2007, 09:49
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I have just found out that my GPA is 3.19 (or 3.33 major GPA.) I don't know how I could have been off on that, but I am.

What does this change? I have given up on HBS, but UChi, Kellogg, Yale & Dartmouth are still my top 4, and preferably full time. Does this force my hand on the GMAT issue, or could it still be overcome with killer essays and volunteer work?


Morepower4me,

What does it change? Well, it makes your profile a bit weaker and, yes, it would put more of an onus on you to raise your GMAT score. But even with a higher GMAT, killer essays, and some volunteer work Chicago, Kellogg, and Dartmouth will be long-shots (especially Kellogg where high-impact community work is almost a must). This is primarily because you don't have unusually strong leadership/impact professionally extracurricularly that I can see. Your odds at Yale would be better, but still longshot I think.

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Re: Would REALLY appreciate a profile eval...please! [#permalink] New post 09 Aug 2011, 07:05
Hi Paul / Jennifer / Accepted.com,

I wanted to follow-up on my above thread (from 2007) with some updates, and a new question.

As predicted... I did not get into the schools I was hoping for. I was fortunate enough to get some insight from an admissions person & they hinted that my overall lack of work experience for the Part Time program (average age is ~29) and lack of analytical work to supplement my poor Quant performance on the GMAT is what did me in.

I took it to heart, and over the last 4 years have made some changes. I moved to Chicago (for better job prospects,) worked 1.5 years as a Business Analyst for pricing at a Fortune 100 company doing heavy quantitative analysis, and have now spent about 1.5 years at the current company, a top provider of email/social campaigns for fortune 500 sized business. I build/deploy the campaigns, interact with the clients & manage the overall projects. I have reason to believe that I will be promoted to a lead/manager position by the time I would be applying & would therefore have *some* people managing skills in addition to the project management ones.

Outside of work, I'd stepped up that leadership, and after serving on the board, and then VP of a good sized conservatory of music, I'd stepped down because of the move, and now remain on the board and help them with social marketing.

My 'stats' still stay the same.
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3.19 GPA overall from WP Carey Business, Degree Marketing

3 Questions:
-How do you feel about my prospects to get into Booth/Kellogg Part time?
-How important is that 'manager' promotion to the application (I can probably push and get it sooner if it matters that much vs possibly not getting it in time to send with the app)
-How much should I mention I've 'changed' with the advice they've given vs not mentioning that?

Thanks so much for your time.
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Re: Would REALLY appreciate a profile eval...please! [#permalink] New post 11 Aug 2011, 12:04
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Hi Paul / Jennifer / Accepted.com,

I wanted to follow-up on my above thread (from 2007) with some updates, and a new question.

As predicted... I did not get into the schools I was hoping for. I was fortunate enough to get some insight from an admissions person & they hinted that my overall lack of work experience for the Part Time program (average age is ~29) and lack of analytical work to supplement my poor Quant performance on the GMAT is what did me in.

I took it to heart, and over the last 4 years have made some changes. I moved to Chicago (for better job prospects,) worked 1.5 years as a Business Analyst for pricing at a Fortune 100 company doing heavy quantitative analysis, and have now spent about 1.5 years at the current company, a top provider of email/social campaigns for fortune 500 sized business. I build/deploy the campaigns, interact with the clients & manage the overall projects. I have reason to believe that I will be promoted to a lead/manager position by the time I would be applying & would therefore have *some* people managing skills in addition to the project management ones.

Outside of work, I'd stepped up that leadership, and after serving on the board, and then VP of a good sized conservatory of music, I'd stepped down because of the move, and now remain on the board and help them with social marketing.

My 'stats' still stay the same.
White, 28
690 Gmat, 39Q (59%) 44V (97%)
3.19 GPA overall from WP Carey Business, Degree Marketing

3 Questions:
-How do you feel about my prospects to get into Booth/Kellogg Part time?
-How important is that 'manager' promotion to the application (I can probably push and get it sooner if it matters that much vs possibly not getting it in time to send with the app)
-How much should I mention I've 'changed' with the advice they've given vs not mentioning that?

Thanks so much for your time.

I definitely believe your chances of admission are better now for the Booth and Kellogg part-time programs. I would recommend that you retake the GMAT if you can to boost the Quant section (without a drop in the verbal if you can swing that!) since the MBA program is so quant based. I would recommend a Quant score in the 75th percentile or above. Keep in mind that your previous GMAT score is probably not in the same percentile as it was in 2007 - I'm pretty sure that a new score report issued would show that drop (since international quant scores have gone up).
While the title of "Manager" is nice, equally important in the admissions process is examples of how you have led and motivated people in the past - both as the official manager and without the title to help you. With or without the title, you're going to need to demonstrate that leadership ability.
I'm sure the admissions committee will be please to hear that you took their advice to heart, assessed your goals and what you needed to get there, and then pursued better paths to reach them. It demonstrates a key element of what they are seeking in students: the ability to accept criticism and learn. You may want to mention this in an optional essay.
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