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|x^2 + y^2| = 0.1 and |x - y| = 0.2, then the value of |x| + |y| is A. 0.6 B. 0.2 C. 0.36 D. 0.4
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Re: Algebra...Modulus--- Aproach? [#permalink]
08 Nov 2009, 14:24
papillon86 wrote: |x^2 + y^2| = 0.1 and |x - y| = 0.2, then the value of |x| + |y| is
a) 0.6
b) 0.2
c) 0.36
d) 0.4
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Can some one discuss aproach to be be followed for such question
as well as some tips and variety on similar lines? x-y=0.2(1) or y-x=0.2(2) (1) x^2 + (x-0.2)^2=0.1 x^2+x^2-0.4x+0.04=0.1 2x^2-0.4x=0.06 x^2-0.2x-0.03=0 (x-0.3).(x+0.1)=0 x=0.3 or x=-0.1 then y=0.1 or y=-0.3 then |x|+|y|=0.4 (2) x^2+(x+0.2)^2=0.1 2x^2+0.4x+0.04=0.1 x^2+0.2x-0.03=0 (x+0.3).(x-0.1)=0 x=-0.3 or x=0.1 then y=-0.1 or y=0.3 then |x|+|y|=0.4
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Re: Algebra...Modulus--- Aproach? [#permalink]
07 Dec 2010, 01:22
Is there a faster way to solve this?
Also, I don't get how he got this:
x^2-0.2x-0.03=0
(x-0.3).(x+0.1)=0 ????
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Re: Algebra...Modulus--- Aproach? [#permalink]
07 Dec 2010, 01:55
My answer is "D" Since |x^2 + y^2| = 0.1 and |x - y| = 0.2 Assume x = 0.1 and y = 0.3 ... only these values will satisfy given equations (search for two squares whose sum is 0.1 since it is a square of the numbers, both numbers should be positive and we need to find addition) Therefore |x| + |y| = |0.1| + |0.3| = 0.4 Hence “D” Not really a complicated question..... u can solve it by reverse approach as well i.e. go from choices to question .... take any choice break it and see whether it satisfies the given equations .... with trial and error you will come to answer
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Quote: Assume x = 0.1 and y = 0.3 ... only these values will satisfy given equations (search for two squares whose sum is 0.1 since it is a square of the numbers, both numbers should be positive and we need to find addition) How did you guess those numbers?
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papillon86 wrote: |x^2 + y^2| = 0.1 and |x - y| = 0.2, then the value of |x| + |y| is
a) 0.6
b) 0.2
c) 0.36
d) 0.4 First of all as x^2 and y^2 are non-negative, then |x^2 + y^2| = 0.1 is the same as x^2+y^2=0.1. So given: x^2+y^2=\frac{1}{10} and |x-y|=\frac{1}{5}. Question: |x|+|y|=?Square |x-y|=\frac{1}{5} to get rid of modulus --> x^2-2xy+y^2=\frac{1}{25}, as x^2+y^2=\frac{1}{10} then 2xy=\frac{3}{50}; Square |x|+|y| --> (|x|+|y|)^2=x^2+2|xy|+y^2, as x^2+y^2=\frac{1}{10} and 2xy=\frac{3}{50} (note that 2xy is posiitve, so 2|xy|=2xy) then (|x|+|y|)^2=x^2+2|xy|+y^2=\frac{1}{10}+\frac{3}{50}=\frac{8}{50}=\frac{16}{100} --> so, |x|+|y|=\sqrt{\frac{16}{100}}=\frac{4}{10}. Answer: D.
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Re: Algebra...Modulus--- Aproach? [#permalink]
07 Dec 2010, 04:14
Thank you, Bunuel, for your explanation.
Quick question:
When squaring absolute value, can you get "additional" solutions that are not solutions of the original equation?
E.g., when you squared |x-y|, how sure were you that you wouldn't obtain "additional" solutions?
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Re: Algebra...Modulus--- Aproach? [#permalink]
07 Dec 2010, 04:27
I got your point. You are right.
But I think that when you square:
|x-y|
you should get this:
(|x-y|)^2 = |x|^2 - 2*|x|*|y| + |y|^2 = x^2 - 2*|x|*|y| + y^2
I don't think that you can just write: 2xy.
What do you think?
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Yes, you are right. I made a mistake. Thank you.
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Re: Algebra...Modulus--- Aproach? [#permalink]
09 Dec 2010, 02:35
My Approach:
Given: mod(x^2 + y^2) = 0.1 and mod(x - y) = 0.2
==> (x-y) = +/-(0.2) and
==> [ (x-y)^2 + 2xy] = +/-(0.1)
substituting the value of (x-y) = +/-(0.2) in the above equation
0.04 + 2xy = +/-(0.1)
==> xy = 0.03 or -0.07.
From xy = 0.03 (x = 0.1 and y = 0.3) as this satisfies mod(x-y) = 0.2
==> mod(x) + mod(y) = 0.1 + 0.3 = 0.4
Answer D.
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My approach:
You just need to know that: |x^2+y^2|= x^2+y^2
Based on the question: |x-y|=0.2 (1)
Square both sides:x^2+y^2-2|x||y|=0.04
So: 2|x||y|=0.06
|x+y|^2=x^2+y^2+2|x||y|= 0.1+0.06=0.16
So |x+y|=0.4 (2)
From (1) and (2):
x=0.3 or x=-0.1
then
y=0.1 or y=-0.3
So D
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Buunuel, can u please explain :
|x|+|y| --> (|x|+|y|)^2=x^2+2|xy|+y^2
and not
|x|+|y| --> (|x|+|y|)^2=x^2+2|x||y|+y^2
ie how ?
|xy| = |x||y|
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