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Re: Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail [#permalink] New post 15 Oct 2010, 04:26
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Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits caused by the desire to be as thin as possible.

A) Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits caused by the desire to be as thin as possible.
B) Good eating habits sometimes fail to be maintained by young female ballet dancers and gymnasts caused by desiring to be as thin as possible.
C) Because they desire to be as thin as possible, good eating habits are sometimes not maintained by young female ballet dancers and gymnasts.
D) Because they desire to be as thin as possible, young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits.
E) Young female dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits because they desire to be as thin as possible.

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Kaplan says answer is D, I think the answer is E. Here's what Kaplan has to say, which I don't understand:
The modifier is misplaced here. What is caused by the desire to be as thin as possible? Not good eating habits, though that's the impression you could get from (A), and not the ballet dancers and gymnasts, though that's the impression you could get from (B). And who or what desires to be as thin as possible? Not good eating habits, though you could get that impression from (C) or (E), both of which use the passive voice unnecessarily and confusingly. The answer is (D), in which pronoun reference and the placement of modifiers is perfectly clear.


A side question: do posting this information here for discussion break the copyright law? I suppose not, as I am not reproducing or distributing the content, rather putting just a question up for discussion.


My Pick is D.

'they' in D refers to young athletes , but 'they' in E can refer to 'eating habits ' also. this 'they' in E is ambiguous.

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Because is a subordinate clause ,the antecedent of a pronoun in a subordinate clause has to refer to the subject of the preceding clause structurally.
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Re: Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail [#permalink] New post 15 Oct 2010, 04:32
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E looks fine but when it is compared to D (which is 100% clear), 'they' in 'E' can refer to habits, although logically, no one would think so.

The Because clause is a verb modifier and a verb modifier need not be close close to the verb it modifies
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Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits caused by the desire to be as thin as possible.

D) Because they desire to be as thin as possible, young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits.
E) Young female dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits because they desire to be as thin as possible.

Let me try with two contenders

( D ) doesnt create any confusion as far as Pronoun " They " is concerned, it can very easily be inferred that "THEY" refers to Young female.......

( E ) In this option, one may confuse that THEY refers to the eating habits and not the young female.....

The crux is to understand the construction of any sentence while evaluating the given answer choices rather than choose answer choice on the basis of implied meaning or the implied logical reasoning of the sentence.

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Re: Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail [#permalink] New post 15 Oct 2010, 05:29
E states "Young female dancers" instead of "young female ballet dancers". Easily out. D is right
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Re: Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail [#permalink] New post 15 Oct 2010, 06:22
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Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits caused by the desire to be as thin as possible.

D) Because they desire to be as thin as possible, young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits.
E) Young female dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits because they desire to be as thin as possible.

Let me try with two contenders

( D ) doesnt create any confusion as far as Pronoun " They " is concerned, it can very easily be inferred that "THEY" refers to Young female.......

( E ) In this option, one may confuse that THEY refers to the eating habits and not the young female.....

The crux is to understand the construction of any sentence while evaluating the given answer choices rather than choose answer choice on the basis of implied meaning or the implied logical reasoning of the sentence.

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This explanation is best. D and E are obviously the ones that people are choosing between (me included) however, as crazy as it looks, "they" could have possibly been referring to the eating habits. Because of this possibility, as crazy as it looks, it simply could not be the answer. I try to always think about the GMAT test creators when I see questions like this. Although questions may be tough, they are not going to have any answers that could be that controversial or contended. If there is even a distinct possibility that a word like "they" could be referring to more than one thing, it really can't be the correct answer.
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Re: Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail [#permalink] New post 15 Oct 2010, 07:18
I was down to D and E, eventually I picked D, because nearest possible antecedent for THEY, was eating habits, which are not intended. Thus D.
admittedly, E ( apart from using they) is clearer than D.
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Re: Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail [#permalink] New post 15 Oct 2010, 07:52
urgh.. yes this is sooo GMAC question.
I am at work -can't point to the question- but there is an exact type question in OG12.

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Re: Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail [#permalink] New post 15 Oct 2010, 07:57
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Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits caused by the desire to be as thin as possible.

(A) Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits caused by the desire to be as thin as possible.
(B) Good eating habits sometimes fail to be maintained by young female ballet dancers and gymnasts caused by desiring to be as thin as possible.
(C) Because they desire to be as thin as possible, good eating habits are sometimes not maintained by young female ballet dancers and gymnasts.
(D) Because they desire to be as thin as possible, young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits.
(E) Young female dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits because they desire to be as thin as possible.
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Kaplan says answer is D, I think the answer is E. Here's what Kaplan has to say, which I don't understand:
The modifier is misplaced here. What is caused by the desire to be as thin as possible? Not good eating habits, though that's the impression you could get from (A), and not the ballet dancers and gymnasts, though that's the impression you could get from (B). And who or what desires to be as thin as possible? Not good eating habits, though you could get that impression from (C) or (E), both of which use the passive voice unnecessarily and confusingly. The answer is (D), in which pronoun reference and the placement of modifiers is perfectly clear.


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I choose D and then I read the OA. I agree with Kaplan that the answer is D because E is missing the word "ballet" after female which changes the meaning of the original sentence. So, E cannot be the answer.
A is wong because it wordier and the wrong use of the subordinator. We prefer "because" in place of "caused by". "Caused by" is same as "due to". Because is the coorect subordinator here.
B is wrong because the sentence is a fragment as it is missing the verb "are" in the first part.
C is icoorect because of wrong use of modifier. Its just awkward.
E is incorrect because it misses the word "ballet". Otherwise, it would have been the best answer.
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Re: Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail [#permalink] New post 15 Oct 2010, 11:20
D is orrect because of modifier placement
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Re: Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail [#permalink] New post 15 Oct 2010, 20:13
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Its a difficult between D and E even I chose E.Not convinced with the reasoning that THEY in E refers to habbits.THEY is preceded by because a conjunction so they must refer to the subjects i.e dancers and gymnansts.......................Not convinced with D.Please help.
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Re: Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail [#permalink] New post 16 Oct 2010, 05:15
Between D and E, D looks much better.
In E, the pronoun "They" looks ambiguious.

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Re: Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail [#permalink] New post 16 Oct 2010, 05:26
I outrightly rejected 'D' (as well as 'C') because it started with 'Because'.
'B' is not active voice.
Was down to 'A' and 'E', but former does not make clear whether "good eating habits" are caused by "the desire to be as thin as possible" or "failure to maintain" them is caused by the "desire to be as thin as possible".
Though 'E' missed the word 'Ballet', i was willing to live with it.

Clearly, never even got close.
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Re: Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail [#permalink] New post 19 Oct 2010, 19:27
Thanks for the explaination. Even I chose E and now I know why it is wrong. Thanks!!!
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Re: Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail [#permalink] New post 21 Oct 2010, 04:42
(D) Because they desire to be as thin as possible, young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits.
(E) Young female dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits because they desire to be as thin as possible.


Is it possible that option E does not have word ballet, therefore it is wrong. Can anybody confirm it?
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Re: Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail [#permalink] New post 21 Oct 2010, 05:16
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urgh.. yes this is sooo GMAC question.
I am at work -can't point to the question- but there is an exact type question in OG12.

redoing OG over and over again is the correct way to go for SC!


You could surely be right in your approach of doing OG 12 again and again... but i would like to share my experience , may be someone would benefit at the cost of my experience :)

I did the same with OG 10.. kept on studying the same again and again... but trust me it doesn't improve actual efficiency of SC much.... it just improved the accuracy of doing SC problems of OG 10 ( in my case ) only.

Later on, i decided to use additional resources for a few days with daily revision of fundamentals and started using OG 11 for evaluating my actual efficiency e.g doing some 15/20 questions with difference of 2 days.

I repeat that your approach is not at all wrong ( nothing to offend on your approach ) , but the later approach adopted helped me in evaluating my SC skills overall not only with OG 10 only.

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Re: Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail [#permalink] New post 21 Oct 2010, 05:20
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(D) Because they desire to be as thin as possible, young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits.
(E) Young female dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits because they desire to be as thin as possible.


Is it possible that option E does not have word ballet, therefore it is wrong. Can anybody confirm it?


No, it has nothing do with ballet only.
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Re: Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail [#permalink] New post 25 Apr 2011, 14:22
+1 D

Its pronouns are not ambiguous.
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Re: Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail [#permalink] New post 25 Apr 2011, 20:51
In D they doesn't have a clear antecedent.
E is crystal clear.Hence OA.
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Re: Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail [#permalink] New post 18 May 2011, 01:01
i think E is not incorrect for a reason like pronoun ambiguity.
had D not been there E would have been the answer. But D is more precise than E
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Re: Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail [#permalink] New post 02 Sep 2011, 01:44
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Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits caused by the desire to be as thin as possible.

(A) Young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits caused by the desire to be as thin as possible.
(B) Good eating habits sometimes fail to be maintained by young female ballet dancers and gymnasts caused by desiring to be as thin as possible.
(C) Because they desire to be as thin as possible, good eating habits are sometimes not maintained by young female ballet dancers and gymnasts.
(D) Because they desire to be as thin as possible, young female ballet dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits.
(E) Young female dancers and gymnasts sometimes fail to maintain good eating habits because they desire to be as thin as possible.


Answer: D

How I see it is........

In GMAT, it is okay to begin a sentence with 'because'. Since this question has two options beginning with 'because', there is a high chance the question is trying to test your knowledge regarding starting a sentence with 'because'. We bear this in mind.

First strike: it should be 'you fail ......because...' ; 'your failure ...is caused by...'.
Both option A and B have 'fail...caused by...' ---> eliminate A and B.

Second strike: misplaced modifier in C. 'young female ballet dancers' should come after comma. ---> eliminate C

Third Strike: Between D and E, I would have gone for E if I had not kept this in mind.

As a check, the causality does seem to be more clearly stated in D than it is in E.

So, answer: D :)
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