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740 (Q50, V40, AWA 4.5, IR3) - anti-debrief ;)

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I spend a lot of time on this site and read a lot of debriefs for motivation. After n-th debrief they are became a little similar because GMAT world not so big: we have like 15-20 courses (3-4 major) so here is not so much many possible ways of preparation.
So I decide not to write about usual things and my preferences for courses because it is quite obvious.
I will try to write about stuff with I usually didn't met at debriefs. So it will be like anti-debrief ;)

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1. Stick to one.
I listen/read 5 different GMAT courses. It was my huge mistake in hindsight because such strategy is quite stupid. Theory and fundamentals are the same in each course. Stick to one and don't search for some magic tablet. Time that you spend on second/third course can be much better invested in practice of solving questions.
With one exception: you can add to the main course EGmat SC - especially if you have some gaps in grammar. I did not advertise them and to prove it I can say that they have a lot of problem with customer service and technical quality of material (not critical but still as IT guy I was sometimes irritated). But their approach in learning change my view of English grammar.
I have a strange way of English learning. My native languages are Russian and Ukrainian and I didn't study English at school. When I found first normal job in which English was needed I start to learn it by myself but never learn grammar. I always wonder: if child don't learn grammar and speak easily why should I learn grammar? After 3-4 years I start quite confidently speak, have a big vocabulary baggage and easily watch movies with subtitles. Two years ago I pass Toefl on 101 from 120 but still didn't know any grammar rule. I have no idea what is present perfect and how to use it let alone future perfect or modifiers with or without comma.
So when I start to learn sentence correction in GMAT I cry a lot ;) GMAT explains me very earnestly why I need grammar )
I can't read Manhattan SC. I still don’t read it and think never will. For me it was like reading phonebook: rule, rule, rule. How normal person can remember all this stuff? EGmat saved me. They have really cool, fluent approach to load grammar into your brain, spoon by spoon :) I am really happy that I bought their course (CR part is ok but Powerscore is better and I don't understand who needs book for RC so it is definitely don't worth to by it)

2. Are you lucky?
I didn’t want to write this point in my previous debrief because of my low score. But now I can freely write it. Gmat is not a fair test. There is a lot of luck. In my first exam I met two combinatory tasks and zero of mixture tasks. In my second exam I met two mixture problem and zero combinatory. What if I hate mixture problems and adore combinatory tasks? I will have a gain in first exam and minus in second exam. How is this fair? But this is usual situation in any competition. When I was a dancer we have a way much more subjectiveness in our competitions. There was a lot of tears, disputes and hot debates. Judges are just people and they can’t simultaneously pay attention on 30 couples on dance floor. And one person ask my teacher: "Why I dance so cool and another couple so bad and I lost and they are win?" And teacher sais genius thing: “Was you worst 10 seconds of dance better than your competitors best 10 seconds? What if judge saw you worst moment and their best?”
Why I write all this stuff? For two remarks:
a) do not omit some parts of GMAT (probability, mixture, alphabetic, functions or some other weird stuff) – do so is a really dangerous practice. The more you omit the more you will need a luck on exam.
b) do not get despair if you didn’t pass from first/second time. There is a lot of luck in this exam. Just book the next exam, keep calm and continue your preparation.

3. Sacrilegious story about quant legend of this site ;)
It is really scare to write this point but I feel a moral obligation so I will do it ;) On this forum present a genius of math – it is a Bunuel. Now I adore his explanations and reread them even if done the task correctly. He is always find some unique, short and unexpected way of solution.
But when I after 4 months of preparation I start to use this site I did not understand his explanations. In 50% of cases at all. They were amazing (I felt it) but my level wasn’t enough for understand them. And when I read after his explanation 2-3 comments “Wow this is amazing” it was really depressing because I feel myself infinitely stupid (because all understand it except of me!).
So if you do not understand his explanations – it is ok. Just try to find another comment, another type of explanation. Do not give up if you do not understand, just continue to try to understand it and understanding will come.
I write it because for me it was a really difficult and shameful moment so I hope I will help to somebody to restore confidence if s/he will be in the same situation (also I hope that I not only one who had such problem ;)

4. Do not be greedy it is usually too much expensive finally
Do not save your GMAT prep test till final dates. It has an algorithm that will give you questions of your level. So when you make them at beginning of your preparation you will meet easy questions. When you increase your level you will meet another more difficult questions. This will be much more productive then use them one time before the exam.

5. Shock true about market leaders
Manhattan and Veritas prep CATs. IMO too hard. I never reach 700 in any of them test. So do not be upset if you such cases.

6. How I make mistake, lost money and why I glad because of this situation
GMATclub quant tests. Priceless. You should bought it one time because you should support amazing work of bb and Bunuel. I did this at first because I didn’t know how to make kudos ;) But I didn’t regret, such work should be supported.
IMO this is the most representative tests. Only GMAT prep better. For now I did 22 tests. Each of them are unique and gave me some new tricks.

7. You will not win by following some voodoo rituals. Sorry for harsh true ;)
At first test I did all correctly: food, timing, I was in center before test, I take shirt because there was a conditioner, I wash my face in breaks. What I have finally? 660 Second attempt: I have a headache, I forget water and food, and come to center 10 minutes before exam. And I did it. I don’t know why. But I think that all this stuff around the exam decide nothing. Knowledge, calmness and a little bit of luck - this are all you nned on exam, do not create too much pomp about this event because it worsen situation with your merves ;)
My suggest is to not bother too much about all this DDday stuff. (be careful it is only my opinion and I do not have any responsibility for my advice ;)

8. All you need is Motivation
Motivation. During the preparation I found this YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnJ-KJ ... rGs_6XfmmQ
IMO it is amazing because it gives me a lot of energy when I was desperately tired from all this stuff. There was a lot of such such periods so I rewatch this videos many times.

9. How I lost at least one month of preparation :(
I was really angry at myself when I realized that I read about error log but didn’t catch the main idea. I was reading all this articles and I have impression that you should enter your tasks in this excel and get some report that shows you there is your weak spots. Useless thing as for me. When I read article of MikeMcgarry http://magoosh.com/gre/2013/good-i-got-it-wrong/ and I did my own error log
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in which I put task, put link from gmatclub and write what was my problem with this task. And after some days I try to solve it again.
I was shocked when I saw that some tasks I did 4-5 times wrong. I just can’t remember how to solve or there was a trick. After this “invention” my math went up really quickly. When you read decision this is not mean that you remember and understand it. After read of decision you must close decision and solve it from zero immediately. Sometimes you will not solve it and then you should reread it and again close solution and solve it from scratch.
Why I was angry? Because when I reread error log instructions I see that all guys write about it and I just miss that part. This mistake cost minimum month to time of my preparation.

10. Do you interesting in some cool stuff? Be careful it is addictive ;)
Between my official attempts I found this author:
http://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/blog/ ... nprep-com/
Amazing stuff. Sadly that I found it only in last weeks. This is another big mistake (

11. Forget about point 8. Motivation sucks! All you need is Discipline ;)
Put a really long password on your Facebook and other entertaining accounts. Something like “IReallyWantToPassGmatOn 7++” so when you will have a desire to break the discipline you will be reminded about your past decision and maybe you will return to GMAT stuff instead of Facebook surfing.
Also make a day plan in which put some everyday tasks such as
A) read 10 pages of Manhattan
B) make 10 SC
C) make 10 DS
and just check it day by day in excel: green cells if you make it and red if you don’t. The global picture with a lot of red cells will shame you and green picture will motivate you. Don't use reminders: you should see global picture of your discipline. But be realistic. Make a small plan but from littel tasks but do it every day: this is a way to create new habit.
Discipline is really important part. You need a motivation, but discipline is more important. Do not way for some inspiration: just sit and start to solve tasks and motivation will come to you ;)

12. I do not believe them. And this helps me to sleep calmer ;)
I will not write how long I prepare for GMAT because it was too much. But I want to write about other thing. There is a lot of debriefs in which somebody write: 4 weeks and I received 7++. Such debriefs are killing me. I am already wrote about my English level – it was a disaster. My math was much worse. I didn’t learn math in school (
After 3-5 month of preparation I still says that \(2^2+2^3\) will be \(2^5\). And I 35 years old. And I do not have college. I will be honest I did not believe in myself when I was at beginning of my preparation.
I do not write it to boast. I write all this with only one purpose: if I did it any of you can do it. I have some friends who are much smarter, who have a college and work as consultants in prestige firms and know a lot of about GMAT. They say to me that "maybe GMAT is not for me", after my first attempt on 490. They say that "GMAT is like IQ test and one can not change it on more than 100 points". They did it not because they are bad friends. They did it because people do not believe in themselves and subsequently do not believe in anyone. But this is wrong life position.
Do not listen to anyone who told you that you can not do something in GMAT. Just continue learning. Big score it is matter of time and you stubbornness.

13. Secret from Nobelist
Watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F3vmNeyOvU
I hope after watching you will understand why writing posts in style “+1 for C ” is useless and why writing your way of reasoning is priceless for you not for others.

14. Secret level of understanding
Another article from Mike Mcgarry http://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/understand ... rformance/
Here is short excerpt:

Stages of Understanding
We could outline, roughly, six levels of understanding.
• Level #0 = no understanding, it’s completely foreign, does not compute
• Level #1 = looks familiar, “Yeah, I think I’ve seen that before,” some dim memory of how to do it
• Level #2 = with a little review, or some key hints or coaching, you can solve one of these problems.
• Level #3 = In the course of focused–practice, you can solve these problems consistently. If you are in the “zone” for that problem type, then you can do it.
• Level #4 = you can see the problem cold and, with no warm up, be able to solve it, time and time again. This happens in diverse-problem practice.
• Level #5 = you can not only solve the problem, but explain explicitly the strategy employed in solving the problem
• Level #6 = you can teach the problem clearly to someone who is struggling with how to work through it, and you can answer all their questions in a way they understand. (The old adage among teachers: “The best way to learn something is to teach it.”)

I think out level #7 = creating or chaning of tasks: if you struggle from DS tasks try to take a simple one and change it. Put off the type. Change the type. Add some conditions from another task. And try to understand how answer reacts on all this changes. It will be better to have friend to check your inventions. If you make one or two DS tasks in one topic by yourself – your level of understanding DS became amazing. I had a period when I did like a 15 of DS tasks and I realized how it is difficult to create a good real DS task. I realized that each word in task has a sense, that conditions are connected and you can easily back solve task because you can initially find the answer and after that check the conditions separately and a lot of another tricks.
But by changing of task I mean not to change “a” on “c” or “5” on “6” but make some serious changes.
But I suggest NOT to post your initial attempts on forum because it can became a disaster like my first attempt:
is-x-y-x-y-even-integer-195807.html
I change answer 4 times! In my own task. It was really shameful situation )

15. Hello Captain!
It is quite obvious but still worth to mention. Do not polish your strengths: pay attention on your weak spots. It is much easier to gain some scores by fixing weak spot then by increase quality of your strong side. I knew it rule by heart from business. But periodically catch myself on solving critical reasoning (strongest part) and put away geometry and algebra (weakiest part).

16. Really working way to 50. Money back guarantee!
Secret technic for transform 47 to 50. When you achieve 46-48 you already know all what you need to know about math. And only careless mistakes drag you down. I hear this method from Ron but it was about sentence correction. You need to pick one type of mistake (for example subject verb agreement) and go through all OG tasks but looking only for this mistake. That is it. It is desperately boring but you will train your eye for catching such errors.
It is boring ;) I give up after third type of error ;)

But I make a little trasformation of this method and apply it to math. If you make error log then you know with type of careless mistakes you did often. For example I love to forget what question asks and answer on something other. What I do with this mistake. All day before solving tasks I write question at the top of my list and draw a little square near it. Before submit task I force myself to reread question (and lose precious seconds for it I even now feel an inner protest about such stupid actions :) and check this square. But really reread this question! Only checking the square will not help. First times it is impossible. You try to control yourself but still make this mistake. It is like a magic. This exercise clearly show that we can not control ourselves. But after some days (if you not give up) it became a new habit. And you start check question automatically. And you win at least 1-2 task on the exam because of this habit.

17. RC
I do not know why but I never met any advice about vocabulary. And I think this is really important part of RC and CR. One word can easily solve the correctness of the answer. Learn all words from RC passages this is too extreme and very often GMAC include wrods that you do not need at all. Shist, big tits (no this is not that you think about ;) this is word from animals world, algae, aardvark and so on. You will meet such words in RC but you can easilty substitute it with X and solve the questions.
So for me I design three step process of solving RC passages:
1) Number of questions * 1:30 = Total time. Read and solve questions during the total time. If not have time - guess.
2) Read passage second time and make second attempt on each question. Take as much time as want but you should give correct answer.
3) Third attempt but with use of dictionary. Read unknow words and try to understand: is this word change something in your previous answer? If yes - you should remeber this word.

After these steps you can easily understand what is you problem: is it time issues or vocabulary issues.
For vocabulary issues I reccomend to use Anki.

For time issues - only reading practice. But I never understand why people recommend to read some other sources. We preparing for GMAT so for reading practice we should use GMAT passages and during this practice we should answer to the questions. No other practice can give your development in this type of questions. Don't waste your precious preparation time on other sources.

This is debatable claim but this is only my unprofessional opinion so I hope you will forgive me my tone )

18. How I completely fail my second attempt
I start really cool. I have a lot of time at 7 IR question and I relax. After some questions more I stuck with one problem and after this delay did not have a time for last three tasks. That was really careless and stupid. Result: IR 3.
Ok. I learn my lesson during the break and prepare myself morally to quant.

First quant task 1:30 - excellent. Second task and I see that this is simple. It is really simple but I can not do it. I write more one half of page and still can not do it. It was situation from nightmare you see that something scary happens and you can do nothing. I understand that I can not skip second simple task! And I watch on timer and realize that I spend more than 5 minutes on this task. Goodbye dreams about 1 round, hello second round and third attempt.
I lost this battle but decide to gain some experience and do not throw off my money. So let's do it for fun. I estimate this stupid task and continue my test. There were some more problems. Not so dramatic but I did this quant way to much worse than my previous attempt. Verbal? It was ok. My SC still sucks ( but there was some progress in comparison to first attempt.

When I saw my score I was shocked more than in my previous attempt: unpleasant-surprise-660-q48-v33-201704.html
I was 100% sure that I received less than 660. I do not know what happens. This was really weird.

Read this article: http://www.manhattanprep.com/gmat/blog/ ... ill-creep/
and never estimate your success during the exam. This is really golden rule.

19. Be strong guys. This is last point ;)
Finally. If you are usual guy or gal without extra quant or verbal knowledge then you have a long way to go.
You can make it boring. You can make it sad. You can fill it with hate to all this cramming. Or you can love it and make this period interesting and fascinating.
GMAT can be a beast or can be a tool that makes your brain faster, smarter and more inventive.

And this is depends not from GMAT, not from your tutor, not from your course and not from this site. It is only your choice about what role GMAT will play in this period of your life.

I chose to love it and for now I have a little sadness that this period is over (
And a little joy too for sure.
Ok, I will be honest: mainly joy actually ;)

Good luck in your preparation guys. Hope I not boring you with my pieces of advice ;)
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Hey, I came to this forum to post a similar experience with non-official practice tests. I was not breaking 670 in Veritas Prep but managed to get your exact CAT score (and Q/V breakdown! We got a different AWA/IR though :-))

Further context: I had originally scored a 710 a year earlier which I was feeling neutral about, and finally decided to re-take it this year, believing that I would be able to improve the score and beat the average of most if not all business schools. After 10 months after my 710, my first GMATPrep practice was 720, and while my Veritas practice runs started at 650. I improved very slowly to a 670, and then practiced a 760 on GMATPrep again.

2 days before my actual GMAT, I took another Veritas prep, and scored 670 again. I was conscious of the disrepancy between the scores and took it as a challenge to do much better on test day. I scored 70 points better.

Hope this helps people keep perspective in their study!
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Hi Harley,
Your story is quite inspirational for a person like me.
I gave the exam today and was shattered after seeing my verbal score of 28. i have always scored above 35 in all of mocks, moreover in gmat prep the verbal score hovered around 40.
i am in self doubt at present and would appreciate if you advice me how to improve the verbal score to at least 38.
Pls suggest an online course if required!!
Waiting for your response because i want to give the exam again as soon as possible.

Thanks in advance!!


Hello kohli555.
I never thought about myself as about a verbal specialist and because of this I wrote nothing about a Verbal part.

Here are my pieces of advice but take them with a grain of salt.

About CR
I have a logical mind and Critical reasoning has a trap for me. I never can understand why I should looking for some conclusion or premise. I can find an answer without all these stupid rituals. And I was right a lot of times. But a lot of times is like 50%, not more. And a sure thing we need more for a decent score.

I am not sure whether you heard about EGmat CR approach.
Long time I completely did not understand their approach about CR. Prethinking answer? How can I pre-think answer? I am not a Nostradamus: all I should do is read answers and find a correct one.
But I always struggle with BoldFace questions and in one moment start to read articles and recommendations about this type of questions. And almost all recommendations says: find the conclusion and it relations to boldface parts. That was the Damascene moment. EGMAT says smart things but invents not so cool term for this. It is not "pre-thinking" (don't know why but I always think that this pre-thinking of the answer) it is "finding a link" between premise and conclusion. That is it. We should find how one phrase connected to the conclusion. If you find it you can easily find an answer because it will affect this link.

About RC
I do not know why but I never met any advice about vocabulary. I think this is really important part of RC and CR. One word can easily change the answer. Learning all words from RC passages is too extreme and very often GMAC include words that you do not need at all. Shist, big tits (no this is not that you think about ;) this is the word from animals world, algae, aardvark and so on. You will meet such words in RC, but you can easily substitute it with X and solve the questions.
So for me I design three step process of solving RC passages:
1) Number of questions * 1:30 = Total time. Read and solve questions during the total time. If not have time - guess.
2) Read passage second time and make a second attempt on each question. Take as much time as want but you should give a correct answer.
3) Third attempt but with using a dictionary. Read unknow words and try to understand: is this word change something in your previous answer? If yes - you should remember this word.

After these steps, you can easily understand what is you problem: is it time issues or vocabulary issues.
For vocabulary issues, I recommend using Anki.

For time issues - only reading practice. But I never understand why people recommend reading some other sources. We preparing for GMAT so for reading practice we should use GMAT passages and during this practice we should answer the questions. No other practice can give your development in this type of questions. Don't waste your precious preparation time on other sources.

This is debatable claim, but this is only my unprofessional opinion so I hope you will forgive me my tone

For main idea questions, I met some interesting way of solution from Ron and I wrote the post about this way.
Try it - maybe it will help
how-to-solve-main-idea-questions-without-full-understanding-of-rc-203549.html#p1560699


This article from Magoosh was quite helpful for me.
http://magoosh.com/gmat/2012/curiosity- ... n-success/


Also, for me works this strategy from BB:
"I prefer this strategy (it helped me to get from inconsistent 50% correct RC to about 80-90% and eventually in a 96th percentile in verbal). It is outlined in various amount of details in Kaplan, PowerScore, and MGMAT books.

The idea is fairly straightforward - while critically reading the passage, you build a mental map, stopping to paraphrase after each paragraph and at the end to quickly summarize the passage. The strategy also involves critically reading - meaning constantly asking why a certain sentence/phrase is there, how they add to the development, and change the tone. It is important to master each of these elements before actually trying to put the entire strategy together. At first it does feel awkward - almost like wearing an armor suit that is clunky and seems useless - useless until GMAT shoots an arrow at you that is. Some of my challenges were questions such as - why do I need to stop (waste valuable time) and paraphrase the passage? (that answer comes in gradually). Also, how to actually stay interested and keep my thoughts from wandering around as I read? And finally - how to read critically? It took a while to learn to pick every word and notice subtle differences in tone (words such as, however, but, still, and examples help reveal author's true intention). I trusted the strategy and strangely enough it worked. I could see improvement within just a week. My performance became a lot more consistent and the strategy was becoming a lot more natural. I was also starting to catch little traps planted in the text and noticing tone a lot more than before."

About SC. All my last preparation month I read explanations of RON on manhattanprep.com. Ron is like Bunuel in Verbal ;)
Also, I really like his Thursdays with Ron on SC topic.

About OG and OVR questions. I did them all too, but I realized that many of answers I just remember or guess.
This is a wrong strategy for use OG questions.
You should see every mistake in question. It will be perfect if you will write all mistakes and after this compare your answer with OG explanations.
The same tactic with GMATPrep questions - find the explanation on Manhattan prep forum and read all comments - there is a lot of useful information.
Sometimes it is boring because they have from 1 to 6 pages of explanations for each question but it is worth it.

But I will be honest SC is my weakest topic in GMAT so take this piece of advice with even more then with a grain of salt ;)

Good luck in your preparations ;)
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Congratulations Harley1980.

I'm really happy for you. You are was so diligent. It is evident in the gmatclub. I enjoyed your work with Engr2012. you created a Duo. You were chasing each other in solving problems. :-D . i really learnt from you a lot.

I wish you all the best and success in your application.
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Congratulations on the great score! Your hard work earned it! Incredible :shock:

My mistake: I have not done an error log of my mistakes. Now I am seeing I am doing the same mistakes over and over again in quant. I ve also taken Veritas live course and don't see any value in taking another from a different provider. Surprisingly after the course my verbal went down while quant rised. I am now having 2-3 Vertias CATs untaken and 5 Manh CATs as well. I ve retaken gmat prep CATs already twice. Do you think it is worthwhile buying also gmat club CATs? Or those 2 providers + gprep are enough? I ve taken the free gmat club test and half of the questions were above 700, not very representative of the official CAT algorithm.

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Hello shasadou.
Thanks for congratulations )

I did not take free test so can say nothing about that. But did almost all from the paid section and they are excellent.
IMO for quant GMATclub tests are the best (after GMAT prep) and now I recommend them to all my friends, who concerned, to buy it.
And there is another option by the way: if you will gain 25 kudos you can exchange them on the access to tests. (this is time consuming but if you have a lot of time and not so much money then it is cool option)

First kudos you already have so it is not so hard to collect 24 more ;)

P.S. Some info about kudos:
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Harley1980 Brilliant debrief sir. What I especially liked is your comment about quant on the forums: It is perfectly fine to not understand one way of solving the problem, and in searching for another solution, you probably honed your skills enough to kick some major GMAT butt.

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kohli555,
RC is probably the most neglected section in Verbal. You can chalk out a strategy for RC and practice. RC takes time but once you have build the competency you can score well .

1. RC is an extension of CR .Many RC questions are about inference and conclusion.
2. Whenever you are reading a passage ,summarize each paragraph . So for example a passage consisting of 3 paragraphs of 8 lines each should be reduced to a summary of 10-12 lines .
3. The summary will help you in answering the purpose question .
4. If the passage is dense or contains technical terms replace the terms with variables such as x,y .It will make for a easier read. Never try to understand the meaning of each and every term of a technical passage.
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Let me be the first one to Congratulate you !!! 740 is fantastic score.

Yours is a very inspirational story which shows that a lot of hard work has gone in the preparation.

I have been attempting the questions posted by you in the last few days and all have been very helpful.

If you dont mind will you be willing to share-

1. Your accuracy on 700+ questions ( CR and SC individually) based on your error log.
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samichange wrote:
Let me be the first one to Congratulate you !!! 740 is fantastic score.

Yours is a very inspirational story which shows that a lot of hard work has gone in the preparation.

I have been attempting the questions posted by you in the last few days and all have been very helpful.

If you dont mind will you be willing to share-

1. Your accuracy on 700+ questions ( CR and SC individually) based on your error log.


Hello samichange
Thanks for congratulations ;)

Actually I can say nothing about my accuracy becuase I use error log only for check wrong answers and return to them later and make one more attempt.
At first I do a lot of statistics but finally realise that for me all this stats are useless because knowing of these numbers actually gives you nothing. You only know it but can not make some next steps or create some plan to change something with this situation.

According to my ESR report from first attempt I had
70% on CR
64% on RC
59% on SC


ESR does not give accuracies. Are the values above the percentiles from your 1st attempt?

But, heartiest congratulations Harley1980. Been a pleasure solving the questions posted by you. I still remember the coordinate geometry+circle question, good question to test the concepts.

"Anti debrief" nice title!, #2, #7 and #17 are the most important points. I realized #17 when I was giving GMATPREP for my 3rd attempt. I did create an error log that had the mistakes a % of the total and a collection of difficult questions that I had compiled only to not go back to them before the GMAT 8-) . Did not even bother with an error log for my 3rd attempt.

Excellent debrief. All the best with your applications.
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Congratulations Harley1980.

I'm really happy for you. You are was so diligent. It is evident in the gmatclub. I enjoyed your work with Engr2012. you created a Duo. You were chasing each other in solving problems. :-D . i really learnt from you a lot.

I wish you all the best and success in your application.


Yeah Mo2men, you are right. Sometimes it was really like a chasing ;)

Thanks for congratulations.
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Congrats Harley1980...Really a great achievement. Your debrief really really is inspirational

Originally posted by RaviChandra on 14 Aug 2015, 19:38.
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Congrats Harley1980...Really a great achievement. Your debrief really really is inspirational


Thanks Ravi. Good luck in your next attempt ;)
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I read your entire debrief. There is a bit of a funny thing I wanted to point out. I could find few quite obvious grammar issues with your post;). Frankly it is possible that they were just typos, but since you mentioned that you did not learn English at all at school, it could be anything.

So, it is all the more creditable that you could score 40 on verbal. The reason why this was a specific inspiration for me was that I actually did read English at school...and so, I am thinking...if you can do it, I can also....
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I read your entire debrief. There is a bit of a funny thing I wanted to point out. I could find few quite obvious grammar issues with your post;). Frankly it is possible that they were just typos, but since you mentioned that you did not learn English at all at school, it could be anything.

So, it is all the more creditable that you could score 40 on verbal. The reason why this was a specific inspiration for me was that I actually did read English at school...and so, I am thinking...if you can do it, I can also....


Hello naureen02
You are right: there is a lot of mistakes because SC is still my weakiest spot in GMAT (
But my logic and love to reading help me to tackle CR and RC ;)

And I am sure you can too ;)
Good luck too you in your preparation.
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Hi Harley,

Congracts..your debrief is really motivating..
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Congrats Harley......Way to go :)
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Congratulations on the great score! Your hard work earned it! Incredible :shock:

My mistake: I have not done an error log of my mistakes. Now I am seeing I am doing the same mistakes over and over again in quant. I ve also taken Veritas live course and don't see any value in taking another from a different provider. Surprisingly after the course my verbal went down while quant rised. I am now having 2-3 Vertias CATs untaken and 5 Manh CATs as well. I ve retaken gmat prep CATs already twice. Do you think it is worthwhile buying also gmat club CATs? Or those 2 providers + gprep are enough? I ve taken the free gmat club test and half of the questions were above 700, not very representative of the official CAT algorithm.

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and btw i ve only discovered gmat club (awesome resoursce!) only a couple of days ago )) wish we had met earlier.

i started preparation in late december last year having bought only OG 15 (full package). oh God I should have browsed the google.
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@harley1980...thanks for the advice..was the GMAT harder than GMAT PREP and QP1??...verbal and quant??....


IMO SC was harder. But I read other debriefs and notice that people usually write that XX section was harder when they have some problems with that section.
After my first attempt I had a feeling that math was easy and SC was harder and in that days I found a fresh debrief that says that SC was easy and quant was harder.
So I think this is very subjective evaluation.
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Hello Harley,
First off Congratulations!! Excellent Score and incredible story. Its funny how seemingly unknown people come together on such forums. I remember spending countless hours on this forum solving problems posted by Bunuel, and I would always see your posts. And I saw you posting right answers to every problem and I always made sure I read your posts cause your approach was different, short and sweet. I always though at the back of my mind, Man!! This guys so good! And your score clearly reflects your skills. I am really happy for you. Congratulations and good luck with your applications!

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